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Need help tuning in FL!!! (pg. 2)
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Can Kontakt detect a key and then save it in a new key? W/out wasting like 5mins per sample? I'm trying to standardize my samples so my favorites are all in C. I hate having 50 million different perc samples with no clue what key their in. |
as everyone says, its best to do it by ear, kontakt's pitch algorithm is amazing, you can change the pitch of a sample in less than a second and its very accurate. |
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| kicks have pitch on the release often, their not constantly pitching, they look like a 1/x^2 + y curve, so it will flat out on a spesific tone fi their long. its easy to find out on what note too just use the EQ-technique discussed in the other thread on top here (sweep with hi gain and high Q). then u can pitch it to the right freq. I pitch my drums all the time. Rides too works alot better when on same note as one of the notes in the chord ur using. Imo. Ive used kicks on note with as long as 1/4 release and i noticed i didnt need a baseline at all in that track. I added one anyway lol. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Wow some really good responses so far. And I wasnt aware that a kick was dropping pitch like that, although it did make sense instantly to how some more trancy kicks have that crisp attack click, which I guess is where the pitch changes the most.
The only thing I'm not comprehending is the do it yourself tuning.
I had a guy who use to come over to tune our piano when I was young and he was saying how it took him years and years and years to learn how to tune.
I have never tried tuning so I prob wont get it near perfect but I guess the concept you guys are saying is that as long as it improves and sounds good then the key may not have to match perfect.
So I guess this is a skill I'll just need to develop, as well as checking out Kontakt.
I like melodyne dont get me wrong but it takes like 5-10 mins per sample, I like it better working with vocals. Thanks so far everyone for your help, may I'll get this right someday. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I had a guy who use to come over to tune our piano when I was young and he was saying how it took him years and years and years to learn how to tune. |
I think, even if the sample is layered, it's nowhere near that complex. My understanding is that piano tuners have a hard apprenticeship - and basically can really screw up a good instrument if they have a hangover. Unless you're actually tuning a sample-pack for a Bosendorfer, it shouldn't cause too much mental pain.
That said, w/o using Fruity Loops, the drum sample players I use both have knobs I can use for tuning and I frequently will adjust a hi-hat, snare, or percussion sample to fit it into the tune I'm working on.
Again, it's just by ear and not particular to the key I'm playing in.
Do you have a sample you could put up of what you're trying to accomplish? It might help to refine to context and be able to offer more specific advice. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I think, even if the sample is layered, it's nowhere near that complex. My understanding is that piano tuners have a hard apprenticeship - and basically can really screw up a good instrument if they have a hangover. Unless you're actually tuning a sample-pack for a Bosendorfer, it shouldn't cause too much mental pain.
That said, w/o using Fruity Loops, the drum sample players I use both have knobs I can use for tuning and I frequently will adjust a hi-hat, snare, or percussion sample to fit it into the tune I'm working on.
Again, it's just by ear and not particular to the key I'm playing in.
Do you have a sample you could put up of what you're trying to accomplish? It might help to refine to context and be able to offer more specific advice. |
I have a zip and an mp3.
(Im not working on this as a track but just practice for tuning)
The perc comes in at 28 seconds then the bass comes in at 43 seconds. With the perc and bass playing the perc just sounds completely out of place, EVEN when it plays at 28 seconds it still isnt fitting right and I was assuming maybe the natural pitch of the kick is throwing it off.
If you wanna rip the samples for another program just unzip the zip file and the perc is #29 and the bass is G#.
If you just listen to that perc SOMETHING just does not let it work and Im convinced its the key, I get little problems fitting percs like this all the time and rather then change samples (to a sample that doesnt work) Id rather learn how to tune it myself.
Pitch My Perc.zip
Pitch My Perc.mp3 |
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| AstroB |
Does this sound any better?
Pitch My Perc(AB).mp3
I just tuned it by what I thought sounded better, using the pitch correction on the channel settings and the time stretching pitch shift. Also, I don't have ozone.
Pitch My Perc(AB).zip
(Edit heres the FLP/zip) |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by AstroB
Does this sound any better?
Pitch My Perc(AB).mp3
I just tuned it by what I thought sounded better, using the pitch correction on the channel settings and the time stretching pitch shift. Also, I don't have ozone.
Pitch My Perc(AB).zip
(Edit heres the FLP/zip) |
Haha! YES, it def does sound better, thats crazy how such a simple little change makes it just "sit right" now.
I also like the little break you made lol.
My only problem is a lot of times in mixing my ears decieve me, its hard for me to trust them when I take on new tasks like this. I may adjust the pitch and *think it sounds better but who knows. Even still at least I have a good starting point now to avoid this problem down the road. Thanks a lot! |
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| Wayne_B |
| quote: | Originally posted by AstroB
Does this sound any better?
Pitch My Perc(AB).mp3
I just tuned it by what I thought sounded better, using the pitch correction on the channel settings and the time stretching pitch shift. Also, I don't have ozone.
Pitch My Perc(AB).zip
(Edit heres the FLP/zip) |
Good job!, sounds alot better. I don't use fl so didnt check it out for myself. I've been interested in this for a while now.One question though, why would you use time stretching pitch shift? To keep the sample length the same i assume...or is this not an issue? |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wayne_B
Good job!, sounds alot better. I don't use fl so didnt check it out for myself. I've been interested in this for a while now.One question though, why would you use time stretching pitch shift? To keep the sample length the same i assume...or is this not an issue? |
When you pitch shift or time stretch it changes the waveform, i don't think the length will be the same |
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| Wayne_B |
I think it depends really, it is possible to change the key(pitch) without changing the length of a sample but even if I use the normal method, the change in length isnt much unless you change the pitch quite a lot.
What I was trying to ask is if there is more to it than just adjusting the tuning as he says he uses "pitch correction channel settings and the time stretching pitch shift . |
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| AstroB |
| The reason I used both was because I maxed out the channel pitch settings (+/- 200 cents) and it needed more adjustment. I used the time stretching pitch shift because it gives greater adjustment options (+/- 1200 cents). |
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