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The history of ID&T
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| C-naptik |
The ID&T label has been around for many many years now, since 1992 at least, releasing hardcore stuff in the beginning, and now trance/hardtrance.
They also organize the biggest raves in Holland (Trance Energy, Innercity, Sensation, Mysteryland etc...)
I think my thread is directed towards dutch TAs for that reason
Could someone tell me the whole history of ID-T ? How did it get started ? How did they impose the whole hardcore scene in Holland and Europe ?
What amazes me the most is how they suddenly changed their style, from hardcore and happy hardcore till 1997/98 and then very uplifting trance; that was around that time that Tiesto and Corsten became big (more like 98/99 though)
What I can't understand is how the majority of dutch ravers and clubbers swtiched from hardcore to trance like all of a sudden, following ID-T's "reconversion".
Was that ID-T's fault, or were dutch people tired of hardcore music ?
Also, many of the current biggest dutch DJs once were hardcore DJs, I got that old Bonzai Jumps vinyl from '95 the other day, DJ Yves - The Main Man, and what did i see on it !!?? That it was co-produced by Tijs Verwerst...aka DJ Tiesto !
That was a shock, hard to believe Tiesto produced awesome hardcore/happy hardcore tunes back in '95 (how old was he back then ???) and a couple of years later became Holland's trance "god".
I talked about it on the TA Hub chat with Biohasard, who also told me that Ferry Corsten used to produce hardcore tracks as well ! (under the Tellurian alias, which was pretty famous back in 94-96). As well as DJ Astrid and Michael de Hey !
That too, was a shock ! :eek:
So please, someone tell me what's the whole deal, how is it possible that DJs can change their style that radically and what role played ID-T in the whole thing.
I find it kinda worrysome for trance in general, who can be considered just as a big hype, and may go down hill pretty soon
Seems like ID-T and Holland rule the techno world..or what..???
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Waiting for your kind answers
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| arjoderoon |
hardcore / happy harcore very quickly had become mainstream in the dutch.. and as fast as it had become mainstream.. as fast as it dissapeared after a while.. i think hardcore was mainstream for about 1,5 / 2 year or so.. and you saw everybody with that australian training suits etc and shaved heads driving on scooters...
but i disseapered kinda quickly as people just realised: this isnt really nice ... and changed to more uplifting stuff .. also the negative news about these hardcore rave with drugs and that some people had died because of drugs usage during these exhausting parties put hardcore in a negative light.
and people discovered uplifting music more melodic... cause hardcore is kinda simple in my opinion and hardcore has gone underground again with a small group of "true" hardcore fans, and trance has taken over hardcore i think but its clear that trance is not just a big hype that hardcore was.
i do not know the complete story about ID-T but i think that this is the story about hardcore becoming mainstream and going down under. but... i'm not an insider.. and i am not sure that i'm right on this. |
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| C-naptik |
Thank you very much for your part-answer
That whole thing about drugs and hardcore seems obvious..and it's good people understood how bad it was
True that hardcore has many of those bad aspects..although many are on drugs at trance parties, but at least in trance tracks you don't hear people yelling "XTC ! you got what i neeeeed" :p (hehe, remember that one ?)
As for trance not being a big hype...
well i'm not sure..hardcore lasted from '92 to '98
Trance started in '93 but became really big in '97 i'd say
I know some ducth clubbers/ravers who now complain about Trance becoming really mainstream in Holland
That's why i fear Holland will switch to another style sooner or later...
(see how many TAs started listening to trance only a couple of years ago ? '98 or '99, or even more recently)
Just hope it won't die like hardcore did |
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| C-naptik |
| Come on, anyone, any other info..??? |
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| LightForce |
Hmm i will fill it.
The Hardcore scene was the main influence. Lets start of the beginning. I don't know exactly which year but that doesn't matter. 2 brothers where creating little underground party's for people. All these party's started illegal. The Brothers known as Miles and Duncan Stutterheim created a scene of party people, and music. This was only Hardcore music. They started to begin on there own, to creat legal houseparty's (only hardcore). So they created ID&T. Only a Party service, that was the beginning. They made a lot of money out of it, and in the 90's they started to creat the first big hardcore party's under the name Thunderdome. Most of you remeber the compilation cd's that came out later. These scene was getting bigger and bigger. So more party's get organised. Think of Earthquake party's, Mysterland (1996), and the regular Thunderdome's. ID&T grew more and more. With the money they started record labels. Like Pengo Records (Happy Hardcore) and other labels. At the time of 1995 they also started their own magazine called Thunder Magazine. It was a magazine every month with info about party's/ music / video's/ dj's/mixing equipment/drugs info etc. This magazine is no more!! It ended about 1998.
In 1994 till 1997 the club and trance scene was getting bigger. And also the music was getting more attention of the public. And what every commercial company would do is to also invest in stuff like that. Just to make money.
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What amazes me the most is how they suddenly changed their style, from hardcore and happy hardcore till 1997/98 and then very uplifting trance |
Well this isn't true, their is still a great group of hardcore lovers (gabbers). Only you will never hear from it because the media wouldn't give attention to it. But there is still a strong community. Also is ID&T still planing Thunderdome party's. So ID&T didn't let their roots completly loose.
| quote: | | hard to believe Tiesto produced awesome hardcore/happy hardcore tunes back in '95 (how old was he back then ???) and a couple of years later became Holland's trance "god". |
Well Tijs did make a mistake to call the hardcore scene death, and that hardcore wasn't music but some of fast garbage. The hardcore scene didn't liked what tijs said about it. As reaction of it there was a song made (hardcore song) called "trance trutje". It was an attack towards tijs.
As about the mainstream now a days you see that trance is big, but their will be some influence now from Hardstyle. This mix of Hardtrance and Hardcore is growing fast. Most of the former hardcore people will go to these party's now. Also in this scene you see most of the old hardcore dj's back, like lady dana, dj isaac and some others.
| quote: | | What I can't understand is how the majority of dutch ravers and clubbers swtiched from hardcore to trance like all of a sudden, following ID-T's "reconversion". |
I think its more because of the commercial . Trance was coming bigeer and bigger, and also radio stations saw that. And tried out some vinyls on the radio. It was a succes, and since then it was getting very big. Id&T saw money in this influence of house music, and created a section for it. That is now one of the main sections of ID&T. ID&T has grown from a 2 mans company of party services, into a multi-national company with several divisions. Divisions of: Trance / Hardtrance / Club / House / Hardcore / Hardstyle / Party Devision (Organisation) / Website devision / Radio / Merchandise etc etc etc.
Well i hope ive cleared out many thinks for you.
If you have any questions just pm me!! Ill will try to explain it. I also belong to the hardcore people of the 90's ive saw it grew up!! So I think I can help you!
Many greetings!! |
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| Biohazard |
| The statement that dutch ravers/dutch scene went from hardcore to trance isn't entirely true. The dutch electronic dance scene is probably the broadest in the world, we have so many different styles played by our Djs in our clubs. We have a little bit of everything, techno, trance, prog, house, hardcore, breakbeat, garage, name it and its possible to find a good club/DJ in holland that plays it. In comparison The Uk is almost totally trance/progrssive and Germany enarly entirely techno/hardtrance. |
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| C-naptik |
Hey Lightforce !
Thank you very much for your long post, you commented upon all my points, i'm thankful to you !
Amazing it all started with 2 people only...really impressive, they must be quite proud of the accomplished job they've done !
I understand now that ID&T didn't completely changed their style...they've just broadened their styles and now Trance is the mainstream style as opposed to hardcore which became underground again
Btw i'm interested in that "trance trutje" track, hehe , that sounds interesting...d'you have it somewhere ?
And it's indeed noticeable that now Trance is mainly influenced by harder styles..old hardcore fans in Holland must be happy about that, hehe
Do you miss the good old days of the hardcore era ??
Thanks again for all your info, i'll bookmark this page ;) |
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| C-naptik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Biohazard
In comparison The Uk is almost totally trance/progrssive and Germany enarly entirely techno/hardtrance. |
Are you sure about that Biohazard..?
They have lost of UK hardhouse and housey stuff in the UK...see the records Hooj releases for example
But i'm sure Holland has the widest range of electronic music styles...it's the World's capital of electronic music after all ;) |
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| arjoderoon |
to light force... which music style do you prefer above the other??
hardcore / trance or hardstyle? cause you have now also become a TA, and i was eager to find out which music style you like more..
i have listened "happy hardcore" but i must admit that i never really liked that.. i think i've always have loved the melodic music...
first.. classic music like the brandenburger concerto's, then dire strait (who are also very melodical and also uplifting.. try "private investigations" or " brothers in arms", and now the uplifting trance... (which in my opinion can be seen as an extension of the classic music) |
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| LightForce |
Personally I prefer the Hardstyle en Hardtrance. Im not a lover of trance styles that are 2 soft. Happy Hardcore is never been my style. And it always never be!!! About the Hardcore from now, I must say its not that sound anymore, and I don't like not anymore. Only the Oldschool tunes are good. It remembers back to the time it was all good. No commercial !!
Well my very first start was with the synthesizer cd's of my dad, and the cd of Adamski (Live and Direct). But my neighbour had some hardcore and ive get in love with it. Euhm that hardcore track of trancetrutje, i don't have that anymore. Ill will find it, and when i have it i will notice you.
| quote: | | And it's indeed noticeable that now Trance is mainly influenced by harder styles..old hardcore fans in Holland must be happy about that, hehe |
Euhm I think most of the hardcore people now, are manly going to Hardstyle party's. And the influences are noticeable. But the manly hardcore crowd is going for the hardstyle. You must think of music thats have the beats of hardcore, with a slightly interferance of hardtrance. Its still quite hard. As track you must think of Warmduscher - Hardcore Will Never Die, Technoboy - Hardrive, Cj Bolland - The Prophet that kinda tracks. Some are harder.
| quote: | | Do you miss the good old days of the hardcore era ?? |
Well yes and no. Yes when I think of the crowd, the ambiance and the music. It was just great!! But i let my hardcore roots go, mostly because nowadays it isn't anymore what it used to be. And that is dissapointing. But im still listening to some good old classics. Have some Earthquake cd's that cd's where in my opinion one of the better cd's, and the Masters of Hardcore series. |
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