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Clipping your tracks on purpose when mastering? (pg. 4)
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| cronodevir |
| Why are people still talking? Post a track which clips, and post the track without, and lets see which has more headroom. Its not that complicated guys. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| yeah do a test |
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| Raphie |
though clipping the master might technically not be a dealbreaker, it certainly makes things harder for less sophisticated converters
it might sound good on your prism or lavry in the studio, but they people with an AC97 on their laptop wil hear the tick/click or pop
by not clipping you're sure that your compatible as -0.3db is safe.
Also note that if the limiter doesn't squash, the converter will and let there be no mistake, distortion will occur.
turn your master fader in Cubase or FLStudio up, just LISTEN what happens. Also limiting too hard squeezes all life our of a track.
Ofcourse you can experiment to find the sweetspot between loudness, quality degradation and loss of dynamics, but it remains a juggle.
I always provide my clients different mixes and let them decide.
If you REALLY want to have high percieved volume? start scooping out mud with spades, clean out the 500hz area, low and high cut EVERYTHING so you gain headroom and you can move all your faders up further for perceived loudness. A good mix has got rid of ALL inaudible frequencies and ALL frequencies that you can't hear once the track is not solo'ed By doing this you can AT LEAST gain 3-6db of perceived loudness.
not cutting and driving into clipping is just plain stupid. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
though clipping the master might technically not be a dealbreaker, it certainly makes things harder for less sophisticated converters
it might sound good on your prism or lavry in the studio, but they people with an AC97 on their laptop wil hear the tick/click or pop
by not clipping you're sure that your compatible as -0.3db is safe.
Also note that if the limiter doesn't squash, the converter will and let there be no mistake, distortion will occur.
turn your master fader in Cubase or FLStudio up, just LISTEN what happens. Also limiting too hard squeezes all life our of a track.
Ofcourse you can experiment to find the sweetspot between loudness, quality degradation and loss of dynamics, but it remains a juggle.
I always provide my clients different mixes and let them decide.
If you REALLY want to have high percieved volume? start scooping out mud with spades, clean out the 500hz area, low and high cut EVERYTHING so you gain headroom and you can move all your faders up further for perceived loudness. A good mix has got rid of ALL inaudible frequencies and ALL frequencies that you can't hear once the track is not solo'ed By doing this you can AT LEAST gain 3-6db of perceived loudness.
not cutting and driving into clipping is just plain stupid. |
lulnub u r posed to mak it clip +10db, evry1 nos that |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
lulnub u r posed to mak it clip +10db, evry1 nos that |
you watch yourself cronodevir, a storm is coming |
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| cronodevir |
A storm of stupid people.
Its funny this topic even exists. And folks want to say I suck for using high latency. Call the kettle black.
Protip: If you render to 4bit .wav then use that to make a 32bit wav, you will get a much broader dynamic range. Try it! |
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| flutlicht junky |
| What about using a clipper rather than a limiter for moar volume? Should be cleaner with less distortion to the rest of the sound.:) |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by flutlicht junky
What about using a clipper rather than a limiter for moar volume? Should be cleaner with less distortion to the rest of the sound.:) |
No, you have to use 10 distortion FX. With a 100% preamp on each. |
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| Theran |
For god's sake people, clipping doesn't give you headroom, it reduces it. Headroom is the difference between the level that the track is, and the level that a track CAN go in terms of loudness.
Clipping occurs when going above 0dB, when clipping to much, the track will distort at some point.
So clipping it will not give you extra headroom, it will give you extra amplitude. If you clip your master on purpose, you're actually running this war of loudness!
Reason why you would not wan't your tracks to be so damn loud, is to preserve dynamics, check this little youtube vid and judge for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ |
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| cronodevir |
| Theran, we [the smart people] know that. We are just making fun of those actually considering that clips help a track. |
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| flutlicht junky |
| Clipping can help a track if you know when and why to do it and the problems that can occur when you do. I suggested using a clipper for more natural loud, this is a valid technique and there are many well regarded tools to achieve this. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by flutlicht junky
Clipping can help a track if you know when and why to do it and the problems that can occur when you do. I suggested using a clipper for more natural loud, this is a valid technique and there are many well regarded tools to achieve this. |
I think the point many people are trying to make is that, cliping giving headroom myth aside, its counter-productive to involve yourself in the "loudness" war. Sound does not have to be loud. No, no it really doesn't. NO IT DOESN'T. NO.
-6Peak for the win.
If its really loud people will turn it down, if its really low people will turn it up. There is no middle ground. And if a track is loud and they have to turn it down, that causes more damage via limiting, compression, what ever. Than it does to turn a low track up. Its not that complicated people. It didn't even need to learn this, I knew it anyways. |
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