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equal opportunity tasering: take that grandma! (pg. 3)
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| notelfreak |
what qualifies you to be the know all to how police should do their job.
*please say common sense, please say common sense*
because criminals use common sense all of the time.;)
did he pat her down yet?
she kept advancing, are you saying it was 100% impossible for her to be any danger (think concealed weapon).
i think she was a zombie and he should have shot her between the eyes. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
and when we read about a cop that tried to wrestle down an elderly person and ended up catching a bullet in his head it will be ok too i suppose. |
There was no reason to suspect she was armed in this instance. If I intended to shoot a cop, I'd comply until the very last second then I'd pull my gun and shoot. So by extension of your reasoning cops should tase everyone they pull over before they even start to resist.. just in case.
| quote: | | If the perp had followed orders there would be no need for escalation in the first place. |
It's a question of proportionality
| quote: | | amazing how you can put yourself in the shoes of people who risk their lives everyday and tell them what they should do, when your biggest job hazard is something between a paper cut and a french fry grease burn. |
You really think he feared for his life at that point?
| quote: | | remember people, elderly people can't hurt anyone, even the multiple ones convicted every year for violent crimes. |
Straw man argument. I explicitly said age was not the issue. |
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| notelfreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
what qualifies you to be the know all to how police should do their job? |
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| LeopoldStotch |
| i drive around that area (hwy 71) on a frequent basis when I go out of town. The coppers love to hide in the brushes around that area. :( and you need to drop your speed from 65 to 45 in less than 1000 ft. |
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| notelfreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
There was no reason to suspect she was armed in this instance. If I intended to shoot a cop, I'd comply until the very last second then I'd pull my gun and shoot.
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so all criminals behave exactly like you would, all of them.
| quote: | | So by extension of your reasoning cops should tase everyone they pull over before they even start to resist.. just in case. |
she already resisted by disobeying his commands, had she accepted his orders this would not have happened at all.
| quote: | | You really think he feared for his life at that point? |
i don't attempt like yourself to assume others positions, i only realize that the job he does is dangerous and he should not have to take chances with anyone. Anyone could have a gun, even an old person, this is texas (i have been multiple times btw) and most people do have firearms. (not saying everyone walks around with one there, but this fact is a significant one imo. grannies go to shooting ranges too you know;))
hippie
he should have raped her too. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
what qualifies you to be the know all to how police should do their job.
*please say common sense, please say common sense* |
Common sense, and experience getting beaten up and beating other people up. I've been in more fights with stupid meth-heads than I would care to recall.
But I would ask you the same question.
| quote: | | because criminals use common sense all of the time.;) |
Oh I understand your argument. Criminals don't use common sense.. therefore acting logically when trying to apprehend them will not work.. So the police need to act illogically and disproportionately! The approach with the least possible amount of common sense will work!
Ofcourse!! Brillliant! They should wear green tutus and sing them their rights in a falseto voice before firing a rocket propelled granade at them.. that's sure to work
| quote: | did he pat her down yet?
she kept advancing, are you saying it was 100% impossible for her to be any danger (think concealed weapon). |
she had plenty of time to pull a gun and I refer you to my previous post.. by extension of your logic police can't be 100% certain anyone isn't carrying a weapon and should tase first then arrest regardless of whether someone resists or not.
| quote: | | i think ... he should have shot her between the eyes. |
Doesn't surprise me. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
I doubt it. It souldn't have involved very much force at all. Look how easily he shoved her. He could easily have pushed her against the car and got her hands behind her back.
which is precisely why it should always be used as a last resort. |
You can easily have a heart attack from being forcefully thrown to the ground or shoved etc. too. Who the hell knows what could happen.
The fact of the matter is this. She broke the law... (endangered the lives of other people by driving like a moron), she then acted like a douche to the officer, proceeded to resist the ticket, and then resist arrest. As if this wasn't enough, she then started taunting the officer to tase her. If you don't want to be tased, don't ask for it.
She thought her age would somehow get her out of it... which is why she repeated her age like 20 times in the video. Sorry, but your age doesn't give you some privileged right to act like a moron.
Simply asking for it would have been enough for me. |
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| notelfreak |
resisting arrest charges do not imply violence, they strictly apply directly to not complying with an officer's orders. If you can't see that in the video, i wonder what they put in the water in kangaroo land.
i think they should have played knifey spoon |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
so all criminals behave exactly like you would, all of them. |
No but ther is a chance, and by your logic that is enough to justify tasing someone
| quote: | | she already resisted by disobeying his commands, had she accepted his orders this would not have happened at all. |
I accept that. But it does nothing to prove that his response was proportionate
| quote: | i don't attempt like yourself to assume others positions, i only realize that the job he does is dangerous and he should not have to take chances with anyone.
Anyone could have a gun, even an old person, this is texas (i have been multiple times btw) and most people do have firearms. (not saying everyone walks around with one here, but this fact is a significant one) |
Fair enough. This is the first convincing argument you have provided. I was transposing the situation to Australia, where you can be reasonably sure that if someone has a concealed weapon it's going to be bladed. I'm willing to concede that in Texas this might be a reasonably proportionate response.
Far from it. I was born under a dictatorship and as a result don't have a very high level of trust in people with power. I just think while cops are necessary and perform an important function. The vast majority of them are ing morons. And if they hadn't landed the job they'd be on the other side.
| quote: | | he should have raped her too. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
resisting arrest charges do not imply violence, they strictly apply directly to not complying with an officer's orders. If you can't see that in the video, i wonder what they put in the water in kangaroo land.
i think they should have played knifey spoon |
I never suggested that resisting arrest implied violence or that she wasn't resisting. I was countering Theresa's argument that there was somehow less risk to the woman by using the taser than attempting to arrest her otherwise.
I've accepted from the start that:
she broke the law by speeding
she broke the law by resisting
and she should have been placed under arrest for her actions. |
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| Audious |
Normally, I would have ethical arguments against this.
But, , do I hate old people. |
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| shotcolin' |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
Doubt it. Society always has and always will be composed of mostly retards. |
yeah haven't you guys seen idiocracy? |
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