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I started a religion today (pg. 3)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
my "god" isn't a deity, "God" is just a label that is convenient to use for certain things that us humans have problems comprehending. You don't need to worship it or ask it to heal you or any like that. We are focusing too much on the god thing, its just a label, a signal word.
If I make up a word, any word, I don't need to supply logical proof that the word I made up exists, all I gotta do is write it down, and declare that it is a word.
This isn't some revolutionary concept here, think, if you are the dude that is writing the bible, and you have to explain the whole ing universe to a bunch of people, for every question you can't answer clearly, just plop the word "God" in there and you're done.
The difference is, that my religion allows people to do this as they wish rather than force everyone to follow the same labeling and configuration. |
Who wants to join a religion whose diety isn't even identifiable? Sorry dude, but something like that already exists. It's called Agnosticism. |
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| boris_the_bear |
| my participation in this thread is not required, I see.. :p |
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| Moral Hazard |
| So you're religion requires no faith, has no uniform system of believes, no method of practice, no symbols, no narrative, no theology, no moral code, no authority, and no deity... it seems to be lacking in everything that one would normally associate with a religion... hmmm... sounds more like a set of vague and poorly rationalized loosely linked thoughts to me. |
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| Audious |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
That's why I said, "Something called faith" in an earlier post. |
So why can't someone "believe" there isn't a God. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| I worship the sun. I know it's there cause I can see it. I can rely on it to come back, and warm up the place when it gets cold. Long live Ra :cool: |
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| Zombie0915 |
So, I answered some in my updatepost, but now there is more to answer. Thanks a lot for all this attention by the way, I'm sure I don't deserve it and it will burn out in due time; please bear with me as I capitalize on it further.
One must realize this is all under construction and is at the moment a pile of chaos in my head that I havent quite formed a sane document out of yet, but progress is being made. You are getting in on the ground floor if you sign up now though, you could be a church father, a saint, think about it!
Symbols and narrative are nice ideas, I might try to come up with some stuff, you will remain dissapointed about the moral code though, I refuse to incorporate a moral code into the system, I assert that moral codes should be seperate from religion and in the domain of man instead. to include a moral code allows man to shirk responsibilities.
The method of practice has been contemplated, you are two posts away from that part, but for now I can say that there is some gathering and discussion and mutual support and stuff involved (things that most churches do), maybe we'll make some cool songs about it too. there will certainly be a fun part with the whole modularity of the deities part, people will collaborate and exchange their ideas and explain how they think their gods are helpful and as a community they will decide which ones to favor.
There is some uniformity, it isn't 100% uniform, there are principles which must be accepted, some of which I have already written, just because the pantheon is modular doesn't mean there is 0% uniformity of beleif, there is more to a religion than the deities.
It isn't asserting that deities are unidentifieable, just that they are modular. Surely you are familiar with several deities in traditional religions that have multiple avatars, or the arguments that the parallels between gods in the different religions are actually different manifestations of the same god. Modularity does not mean it's an agnostic declaration that god is not identifiable.
what sets it apart from secular atheism, atheists are a bunch of smug dicks, if you dont want to be a smug dick and want to accept that it is ok for people to beleive in stuff, and maybe you want to beleive in something yourself but have trouble getting over your insane need to have everything logically proven, then this might be a better fit than secular atheism.
my objections to athiests: smug dicks that are afriad to beleive in anything without evidence, humans need to leap before looking sometimes, that's why kirk is the ing captain and that romulan psycho didn't suceeed in destroying earth
my objection to agnostics: no balls afriad to commit to anything or hurt anyones feelings carebears, they are sad jokes to the faithful and the faithless alike, if you want to keep going with star trek analogy, they are that ensign ricky guy that always dies on the away mission
objection to most faith based religions: this retarted need to deny the products of human reasoning, this sad tendancy to kneel and grovel and beg when one should really be standing up and taking action, this naive assumption that everything will be ok because your imaginary friend told you so, sorry I have no mroe trek jokes for this one. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| But why should someone believe in your religion rather than not believing in it? |
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| Zombie0915 |
| because it helps man understand and cope with the world, has the possibility to make people happy and stem healthy communities from it. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Isn't that what most religions try to do? What makes yours different? |
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| Zombie0915 |
| yes, it is the same things most religions try to do, it is only that I think my approach is a more honest one, and might work better |
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| Zharen |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
I'm also an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church - a nondemoninational church based in San Modesto California that believes that one should "Do the right thing." |
Oh yeah I've been there. It's right next to San Turlock and Las Mantecas right? :p |
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| astroboy |
| Discounting reason is itself a step that needs to be justified. If there is a God that created a logical universe then his existance should be able to be proved using reason. Otherwise any set of conflicting arbitrary beliefs you can think of is equally valid.. So you're left with a world with an infinite set of often conflicting truths.. in otherwords absolute e. |
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