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Not that drugs are implicitly tied to the Scene in Ontario... or people want to hear (pg. 2)
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| patpicos |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
who's the victim...the person selling the drugs or the person buying the drugs?
They are both willing participants. |
crack cocaine is often related to various petty crimes...so plenty of victims |
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| Kellyboop |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
who's the victim...the person selling the drugs or the person buying the drugs?
They are both willing participants. |
The possible family and friends who have to go through loving someone with a crack/cocaine addiction, the possible family of the drug dealer who's lives are in danger due to the dealer's business choices, the people who live in neighbourhoods that house drug dealers and have to face possible violence, a baby born with a crack addiction because he or she's mother couldn't stop while pregnant.
List goes on but you get the jist |
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| Miss. S |
| this cant be good. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
who's the victim...the person selling the drugs or the person buying the drugs?
They are both willing participants. |
Everyone involved in the drug gang violence that goes along with it, including innocent bystanders?
Have you read anything about Mexico's drug wars? US Demand for drugs is so high that it's generally the most lucrative source of income in Mexico, and people can and will kill to prevent losing it.
Unfortunately the drug trade is not as pleasant and simple as talking to the guy with the backpack on the side of the dancefloor.
(This is not crack cocaine specific, it goes for basically all hard drugs. Even BC weed is being caught up in the Mexico drug trade.) |
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| VDub |
And what about that innocent kid who's sitting in his living room watching tv when that stray bullet comes through his window...
That's what he gets for living in that neighborhood??? |
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| Cuzo |
| One grow op was on my street. |
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| bluE_Neon |
What about the police putting the people behind bars for extortion and conspiracy? |
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| Jben |
| quote: | Originally posted by ItalianPoiSon
thats why i can't find any weed? ing police |
This could mean a rough winter for buddha :( , i can smell the crappy pot flooding the city already dammit!
To all the people cheering this on.. im all for cleaning up the streets of crack, crack houses... that s just for dirt bags and bored suburbanites ech! buut!
LEAVE THE POT ALONE I SAY!! |
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| Wurm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Everyone involved in the drug gang violence that goes along with it, including innocent bystanders?
Have you read anything about Mexico's drug wars? US Demand for drugs is so high that it's generally the most lucrative source of income in Mexico, and people can and will kill to prevent losing it.
Unfortunately the drug trade is not as pleasant and simple as talking to the guy with the backpack on the side of the dancefloor.
(This is not crack cocaine specific, it goes for basically all hard drugs. Even BC weed is being caught up in the Mexico drug trade.) |
I still don't get how people connect drugs and criminality implicitly.
If you remove the criminality, then we can treat addiction and its concurrent problems in a public-health context while removing a major source of funding for organised crime. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
You know...I always thought you were a moron... |
Hello pot, my name is kettle. Being called a moron by you is like being called a bad driver by the guy who just ran three red lights and plowed into the side of a cement truck.
I see a lot of people in here talking about the violent crime that's associated with drugs. Most of you are ignoring the fact that violent crime is associated with any black market, especially one so large. If the drugs weren't illegal in the first place, the violence wouldn't exist because it wouldn't be profitable for the crime syndicates and petty gangs who find it so lucrative today.
This is just another bullet point in the list of things we've banned because they scare or offend us - only in this case, because of the ridiculously high demand, there is actually competition among suppliers, and the only way for them to compete is with physical force because they have no protection under existing trade laws.
I think 50 years of evidence showing literally zero reduction in the rate of drug use should be enough for us to just say "no" to the constant parade of new laws and precedents and "spring cleaning" designed to chip away at our rights and expand police powers. Oh right, half of these people were on probation, so they were already criminals. What crime were they on probation for? DRUGS!
| quote: | Originally posted by Kellyboop
The possible family and friends who have to go through loving someone with a crack/cocaine addiction |
This is the only point I saw in this thread that wasn't engaging in lazy circular reasoning. This is true, the families and friends do get hurt. However, this is also true of any addiction, including alcohol, gambling, or smoking (if the person ends up with cancer at age 30). Making it a crime because of this is the extreme-right-wing, socially conservative solution to the problem, which I would expect most people here to be against.
Instead, we should be supporting the same kind of detox/rehab programs that are available for all other addictions. They exist for "hard drugs", but they are ridiculously expensive because they are so rare, and they're obviously limited in the treatments they can provide. Nicotine addictions, for example, are very often treated with a gradually-decreasing dose; that's obviously not an option for crack cocaine because it would be illegal to administer. |
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| d-form |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DigiNut
Most of you are ignoring the fact that violent crime is associated with any black market, especially one so large.
Supply and demand. Making something illegal is the surest way to lower the supply and therefore increase the profit/cost attracting a criminal element. |
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| Wurm |
| The War on Drugs: We're losing. The people on drugs are winning. What does that say about drugs? |
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