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5 years of drug decriminalisation in Portugal (pg. 3)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Thousands of people who are labeled as 'criminals' will instead be able to remain free to do as they damn well please, while happily killing themselves with harmful drugs, but not bothering anyone else? |
you're under the false impression that becoming and being an addict doesn't put anyone else under unnecessary burdens.
maybe you've never been around addicts, maybe you have and just never paid it much attention but the fact remains - the burden of addiction will always become someone else's problem regardless of law. |
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| Clovis |
| We don't ban alcohol because some people are alcoholics. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
... it is pretty damn harmless especially when you compare it with the most widely used legal drug, alcohol. |
...and therein lies the irony of the situation doesn't it? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
We don't ban alcohol because some people are alcoholics. |
Actually it's more because there are more that like alcohol that aren't alcoholics ;)
Remember alcoholics aren't just those that drink all the time you know... |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
It actually makes sense to me - if drugs are legal, there's no stigma attached to going to rehab for something illicit. Rehab becomes like an AA meeting - more or less mainstream. I imagine that more people that might need help would seek it out in such an environment. |
Not to pump up the conservative folks in here because I agree with the soft drugs decriminalisation, but there's actually still quite a big stigma over here. I don't think our society is friendly to the addicts at all. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Actually it's more because there are more that like alcohol that aren't alcoholics ;)
Remember alcoholics aren't just those that drink all the time you know... |
no, that's not the reason why alcohol is legal, at all. It is more addictive and destructive than Cannabis, mdma, lsd, psilcybin, GHB, Khat, alkyl nitrates, and on and on.
I cannot stress how serious of a drug alcohol is. Your statement that alcoholics aren't necessarily those that drink all the time can be paralleled with any drug, because there will always be someone with a worse addiction. there are degrees of addiction man, not just yay or nay. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
no, that's not the reason why alcohol is legal, at all. It is more addictive and destructive than Cannabis, mdma, lsd, psilcybin, GHB, Khat, alkyl nitrates, and on and on.
I cannot stress how serious of a drug alcohol is. Your statement that alcoholics aren't necessarily those that drink all the time can be paralleled with any drug, because there will always be someone with a worse addiction. there are degrees of addiction man, not just yay or nay. |
I don't want to burst your bubble but you're preaching to the choir here.
I understand totally what alcohol is and can do, not because of my experience with it, but being on the receiving end so many times.
I've lost family members, have others that should be in AA and another that did and have been sober for over 5 yrs now.
I've been to AA meetings myself just to see what goes on and to support my close family member.
So yes, I know DJ Damerchi, exactly what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. :)
My comment was a little more tongue in cheek (no thanks to the interpretive ability of the internet...) than you might have thought.
I was poking fun at the fact that prohibition was tried once and it certainly wasn't because the alcoholics put up a sh%t-storm lol. ;) |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I don't want to burst your bubble but you're preaching to the choir here.
I understand totally what alcohol is and can do, not because of my experience with it, but being on the receiving end so many times.
I've lost family members, have others that should be in AA and another that did and have been sober for over 5 yrs now.
I've been to AA meetings myself just to see what goes on and to support my close family member.
So yes, I know DJ Damerchi, exactly what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. :)
My comment was a little more tongue in cheek (no thanks to the interpretive ability of the internet...) than you might have thought.
I was poking fun at the fact that prohibition was tried once and it certainly wasn't because the alcoholics put up a sh%t-storm lol. ;) |
Sorry for the losses bro, I feel you, I buried a good friend in his 20's last year. If that event were never to have happened I probably would not have been so Emo about alcoholism, its just that the drinking culture at my uni in Kingston really gets under my skin sometimes...and I had fully embraced it beforehand. I also see people heading down that path and that really worries me more than one could imagine. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Damerchi
Sorry for the losses bro, I feel you, I buried a good friend in his 20's last year. If that event were never to have happened I probably would not have been so Emo about alcoholism, its just that the drinking culture at my uni in Kingston really gets under my skin sometimes...and I had fully embraced it beforehand. I also see people heading down that path and that really worries me more than one could imagine. |
What shocked me the most about the AA meetings wasn't the meeting itself but the number of young people there.
I was sadden but at the same time, encouraged that they took such a bold step and not let their own ego kill them.
All I have to say is, hang in their D. Just be a friend and make sure your friends get home safe; that's what I did all through high school / college. That's not to say I didn't imbibe myself a little here and there and have a good time, but I always knew my limit because in the end, it really isn't worth it. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
you're under the false impression that becoming and being an addict doesn't put anyone else under unnecessary burdens.
maybe you've never been around addicts, maybe you have and just never paid it much attention but the fact remains - the burden of addiction will always become someone else's problem regardless of law. |
What is criminal about smoking weed or doing some other drug? The illegality of it doesn't stop the millions who engage in drug use. So why continue a failed policy focused on enforcement? |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
What shocked me the most about the AA meetings wasn't the meeting itself but the number of young people there.
I was sadden but at the same time, encouraged that they took such a bold step and not let their own ego kill them.
All I have to say is, hang in their D. Just be a friend and make sure your friends get home safe; that's what I did all through high school / college. That's not to say I didn't imbibe myself a little here and there and have a good time, but I always knew my limit because in the end, it really isn't worth it. |
I'll drink to that!:toothless |
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| secked |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
What is criminal about smoking weed or doing some other drug? The illegality of it doesn't stop the millions who engage in drug use. So why continue a failed policy focused on enforcement? |
To most hard drug addicts, availability of the product and personal expense are the only limitations. Take either of those away almost entirely and what happens?
People who think this is an entirely black and white issue have never seen somebody dopesick before. |
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