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Bush program extended beyond domestic wiretapping (pg. 3)
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| culorut |
Sorry wrong again, take a look at the number of replies you have received right from the start of this thread because of your ignorance.
You must live a in padded room. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Sorry wrong again, take a look at the number of replies you have received right from the start of this thread because of your ignorance.
You must live a in padded room. |
You calling me ignorant is like someone with down syndrome calling me retarded. Keep it up.. |
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| culorut |
OK captain, what ever you say. At least I am not the one posting up that everyone already knew about fuking ages ago.
A little slow is a huge understatement.
You win Krypto, you can re-claim the throne as king of the stupid retards that was last held by you and move on now. You must be really bored of banging your head on those padded walls today, thanks for the laugh.
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
So you are accusing the current administration of not adhering to the Geneva Conventions or the US Army Field Manual? Ok, prove it. |
I dunno what's in the Geneva Conventions OR the Field Manual, but I KNOW that you don't obtain sensitive information by offering a man a smoke and asking nicely. So either they AREN'T torturing, and are receiving NO relevant intelligence, or they ARE obtaining that needed info, and they are using some means of persuasion that the average western-world liberal would not approve of.
Whether the media discovers those means, reports those means if they do, or never find out, I refuse to believe that some form of torture, or torture-like action that falls in the gray-zone is not being used to acquire terrorist intelligence.
We're talking about an administration that stages it's own "Town Hall" meetings. You don't think they'd cover up their means of persuading prisoners to give up whatever information they have? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
OK captain, what ever you say. At least I am not the one posting up that everyone already knew about fuking ages ago.
A little slow is a huge understatement.
You win Krypto, you can re-claim the throne as king of the stupid retards that was last held by you and move on now. You must be really bored of banging your head on those padded walls today, thanks for the laugh.
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Don't try too hard coming up with a come back..;) |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
I dunno what's in the Geneva Conventions OR the Field Manual, but I KNOW that you don't obtain sensitive information by offering a man a smoke and asking nicely. So either they AREN'T torturing, and are receiving NO relevant intelligence, or they ARE obtaining that needed info, and they are using some means of persuasion that the average western-world liberal would not approve of. |
That is a false presumption that intelligence cannot be obtained without torture. If that were the case, then why don't the police torture every suspect they question? How do police obtain so many confessions and information WITHOUT torture, barring the fact that it's illegal to torture, domestically, or on the battlefield.
| quote: | Whether the media discovers those means, reports those means if they do, or never find out, I refuse to believe that some form of torture, or torture-like action that falls in the gray-zone is not being used to acquire terrorist intelligence.
We're talking about an administration that stages it's own "Town Hall" meetings. You don't think they'd cover up their means of persuading prisoners to give up whatever information they have? |
I see your suspicions, but as of yet, you haven't provided any evidence, or "smoking gun", to prove the Obama administration continues a Bush torture policy that Bush himself ended in 2006. |
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| Clovis |
| There are plenty of coercive interrogation techniques that do not involve torture. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Don't try too hard coming up with a come back..;) |
There is no come back, you are a in idiot for posting this and believing that Bush's words (as if they mean anything) on this matter have actually stopped any of these torture methods. Talk about fukin ignorance, you take the cake .
Get your head out of your ass and wake the fuk up already. You believe everything the government tells you while at the same time trying to make it appear to everyone here you are playing the subjective card which I might add you fukin fail at horribly.
You are a typical government, media brainwashed sheep. You linger on borderline subjects but as soon as you cannot take the heat you post like "give me the proof" or "who should we charge" when everyone already knows whats going on. The world is not so black and white and the USA in particular is full of gray, gray which is never going to be covered by your beloved media or cited by the same government who lied to you in the first place.
It's you that cannot see past the lies. You give them way too much credit and take everything word for word which is why you can never open your eyes. You need a headline flashing on FOX/CNN or a link to MSNBC to justify your beliefs while the rest of us know you are really watching a soap opera and actually laughing in your face for believing this bull.
Please go on now and try to convince everyone here they are not torturing anymore because it is "against the rules" and they said this in their own words it so it must be true.
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
There are plenty of coercive interrogation techniques that do not involve torture. |
I just saw on CNN they force the prisoners to read Krypto's posts on this forum as their main technique.
But let's be straight about it, this is TORTURE no matter what CNN or FOX told us. They are lying as always.
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
There is no come back, you are a in idiot for posting this and believing that Bush's words (as if they mean anything) on this matter have actually stopped any of these torture methods. Talk about fukin ignorance, you take the cake .
Get your head out of your ass and wake the fuk up already. You believe everything the government tells you while at the same time trying to make it appear to everyone here you are playing the subjective card which I might add you fukin fail at horribly.
You are a typical government, media brainwashed sheep. You linger on borderline subjects but as soon as you cannot take the heat you post like "give me the proof" or "who should we charge" when everyone already knows whats going on. The world is not so black and white and the USA in particular is full of gray, gray which is never going to be covered by your beloved media or cited by the same government who lied to you in the first place.
It's you that cannot see past the lies. You give them way too much credit and take everything word for word which is why you can never open your eyes. You need a headline flashing on FOX/CNN or a link to MSNBC to justify your beliefs while the rest of us know you are really watching a soap opera and actually laughing in your face for believing this bull.
Please go on now and try to convince everyone here they are not torturing anymore because it is "against the rules" and they said this in their own words it so it must be true.
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You're trying too hard loser. Why don't you go jack off to the next conspiracy theory...;) |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
That is a false presumption that intelligence cannot be obtained without torture. If that were the case, then why don't the police torture every suspect they question? How do police obtain so many confessions and information WITHOUT torture, |
Police obtain information because your typical criminal isn't a brainwashed psychopath who's only one button away from blowing himself up on a bus. Most criminals are looking out for their own ass, and when the cop says "You better confess because we have TONS of evidence against you and the court will be more lenient if you cooperate", they break and confess.
Police also brutally beat people sometimes, and it goes unreported. What's to stop an army interrogator from using a bit of torture if the chances of him actually being caught are slim-to-none?
Military confessions are much harder to get because those people are trained soldiers, who are fighting for a greater cause than their own existence. Many would rather die, for instance, than tell a US soldier where their commanders are.
| quote: | | barring the fact that it's illegal to torture, domestically, or on the battlefield. |
It's illegal to smoke weed, but I do it.
It's illegal to speed, but I do it.
It's illegal to download free music and movies, but I do it.
It's illegal to keep fish from Canadian lakes in my fish aquarium, but I have 4 in my 90 gallon right now.
It was illegal to torture when Bush was having it done, but he still had it done.
There are TONS of things that are illegal. That doesn't mean that laws are being followed. I think it's highly naive to say "Well, Bush said he ended the torture because the newspaper told me so." And actually believe that lying son of a bitch ACTUALLY stopped having it done.
The most probable fact is that torture of some sort is PROBABLY still being carried out, if not 'officially' than certainly unofficially. The President who's against torture can't know what an army investigator is ACTUALLY doing to a prisoner being interrogated, all of the time. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Police obtain information because your typical criminal isn't a brainwashed psychopath who's only one button away from blowing himself up on a bus. Most criminals are looking out for their own ass, and when the cop says "You better confess because we have TONS of evidence against you and the court will be more lenient if you cooperate", they break and confess.
Police also brutally beat people sometimes, and it goes unreported. What's to stop an army interrogator from using a bit of torture if the chances of him actually being caught are slim-to-none?
Military confessions are much harder to get because those people are trained soldiers, who are fighting for a greater cause than their own existence. Many would rather die, for instance, than tell a US soldier where their commanders are. |
Police don't use torture, because, first, it's illegal. Second, it's ineffective. If I am being tortured, I will confess to anything you want me to. Is it no wonder we got so much bogus "intelligence" on Iraq being in league with Al-Qaeda? People told us that because they were being tortured.
| quote: | It's illegal to smoke weed, but I do it.
It's illegal to speed, but I do it.
It's illegal to download free music and movies, but I do it.
It's illegal to keep fish from Canadian lakes in my fish aquarium, but I have 4 in my 90 gallon right now.
It was illegal to torture when Bush was having it done, but he still had it done.
There are TONS of things that are illegal. That doesn't mean that laws are being followed. I think it's highly naive to say "Well, Bush said he ended the torture because the newspaper told me so." And actually believe that lying son of a bitch ACTUALLY stopped having it done.
The most probable fact is that torture of some sort is PROBABLY still being carried out, if not 'officially' than certainly unofficially. The President who's against torture can't know what an army investigator is ACTUALLY doing to a prisoner being interrogated, all of the time. |
Your disregard for the law does not excuse our government violating it. |
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