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Took 35 minutes to reach dying man (pg. 2)
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| FunkyCrew |
even if someone hit him on the head, I would like to hear what exactly they meant by "health and safety" concerns
once again - they were not called to Jane & Finch, it's NOT a problem neighborhood |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpgrdnr
I don't see a problem with the paramedics arriving late. There is usually miscommunication between 911 and EMS (or any emerg dept, police etc.). Miscommunication that maybe someone hit Mr. Hearst over the head, etc. or something to that effect. So wait until the cops come, nothing we could do about it. Simply proper procedure. Now, we don't know the details of the phone call so no one can say for sure. There's a lot of grey area - does Mr. Rodriguez have an accurate time estimate? I highly doubt it. |
Miscommunication is not the issue. The chief said they got there within 9 min. He was still alive at 9 min. Another call to 911 was made at the time saying he's turning blue. They still scratched their asses and had a smoke outside or something. Finally wnet in on their own without the cops after they heard the guy croaked. That's fcuked.
The call times are logged. It all sounds like BS, and no way of getting out of this one. |
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| jpgrdnr |
| So it sounds like the cops showed up late. |
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| Kellyboop |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpgrdnr
I don't see a problem with the paramedics arriving late. There is usually miscommunication between 911 and EMS (or any emerg dept, police etc.). Miscommunication that maybe someone hit Mr. Hearst over the head, etc. or something to that effect. So wait until the cops come, nothing we could do about it. Simply proper procedure. Now, we don't know the details of the phone call so no one can say for sure. There's a lot of grey area - does Mr. Rodriguez have an accurate time estimate? I highly doubt it. |
You're a perfect example of a human being that should NOT being working in a field that is meant to help others. Why don't you say these words to the family that lost that man to the heart attack?
Uningbelievable |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
They haven't said why they felt they were endagered.... THAT I want to know. |
Indeed. You can't just throw out phrases like that without any kind of explanation.
These media fools should be demanding explanations. Why are they just casually and uncritically parroting this garbage? |
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| Kellyboop |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Indeed. You can't just throw out phrases like that without any kind of explanation.
These media fools should be demanding explanations. Why are they just casually and uncritically parroting this garbage? |
It makes me want to puke this article is trying to justify them sitting outside scratching their balls while a person dies inside. |
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by jpgrdnr
I don't see a problem with the paramedics arriving late. There is usually miscommunication between 911 and EMS (or any emerg dept, police etc.). Miscommunication that maybe someone hit Mr. Hearst over the head, etc. or something to that effect. So wait until the cops come, nothing we could do about it. Simply proper procedure. Now, we don't know the details of the phone call so no one can say for sure. There's a lot of grey area - does Mr. Rodriguez have an accurate time estimate? I highly doubt it. |
Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut, especially when (it seems) you're so close to the situation. And such a fantastic tone for someone charged with keeping the public safe.
I have absolutely ZERO respect for those who are part of this strike. Given the financial climate the world is experiencing, AND given the nature of the work done by many of those who are on strike, it is beyond reasonable understanding why these people think they deserve more.
Then this? Yeah, that's a great way to garner public support. It's lucky that the City of Toronto is unlikely to go bankrupt like GM and Chrysler. I have approximately the same respect for the union workers at those companies as I do for those who work for the City. I simply wish that market forces acted similarly. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Miscommunication is not the issue. The chief said they got there within 9 min. He was still alive at 9 min. Another call to 911 was made at the time saying he's turning blue. They still scratched their asses and had a smoke outside or something. Finally wnet in on their own without the cops after they heard the guy croaked. That's fcuked.
The call times are logged. It all sounds like BS, and no way of getting out of this one. |
exactly!
there was a security guard present at a scene, as well as several other neighbors, and later - our nightly superintendent on-duty - clearly it was NOT a concern to their health and safety
wow.. what the hell?!
my roomie and I just did a quick time-line - when we went downstairs to do the laundry, he was on the floor, presumably dying.. 30 or 40 mins later, when we went to put our stuff in the dryer, he was still on the floor, still presumably dying and NO sign of paramedics around him.. only 50 mins later when we went to empty out the dryers, he was covered with a sheet and only the secuirty guard was on site (I assume the paramedics finally came in and left in that 50 min window) |
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| Abercrombie |
| omg, was that actually in your building, and you saw it all? |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
omg, was that actually in your building, and you saw it all? |
lol see my original post Aj!
yes! I live in this building, and when it all happened we were happily on the way to do our laundry |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Miscommunication is not the issue. The chief said they got there within 9 min. He was still alive at 9 min. Another call to 911 was made at the time saying he's turning blue. They still scratched their asses and had a smoke outside or something. Finally wnet in on their own without the cops after they heard the guy croaked. That's fcuked.
The call times are logged. It all sounds like BS, and no way of getting out of this one. |
As the article says and as my friend, who is a paramedic, has told me....if there is a possible threat to their well being such as weapons, fighting, etc. then the paramedics can make the determination to wait for police to arrive or enter the building. To me it does sound like there was a miscommunication between dispatch and the paramedics.
My question is did anyone inside the building go out and talk to the paramedics? Why wouldn't the security guard go out and speak with them? If anyone inside the building didn't go out and talk to the paramedics then maybe they should take a look at their own actions as well. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
My question is did anyone inside the building go out and talk to the paramedics? Why wouldn't the security guard go out and speak with them? If anyone inside the building didn't go out and talk to the paramedics then maybe they should take a look at their own actions as well. |
the guard was ushering everyone away, telling us it's being taken care of, plus the article mentions the neighbor who called for help initially
also - I doubt people who were dealing with the situation inside the building were aware that paramedics are outside, not coming in
another thing - regular people do not think rationally on the spot when facing such a stressful situation - I doubt I'd think of running outside and dragging paramedics in :\ |
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