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[rant] "Just Experiment" is not an answer! (pg. 2)
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Hang on, If I'm reading this thread right (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you're having a rant at the people who say "go and experiment" the the people who post up "how do I make a sound like Armin van Tiesticle?"
Seriously?
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Well, yes and no, so let me clarify. I only used that as one example and it probably wasn't the best choice. I've seen the "just experiment" response to questions that are essentially as simple as "how do I use a paragraphic EQ?" or "how do I make a pluck sound?" Nobody is going to give away any secrets by explaining the controls on an EQ (or pointing them to another resource that will) or explaining that the most defining characteristic of a pluck is the shape of the amp envelope. Yes, a person can probably figure some of this out by themselves after much experimentation, but where's the harm in accelerating the learning process? A good teacher is not going to tell his students to just "go experiment" and come back next week understanding the difference between Phrygian mode and Dorian mode. Not only are those responses rude and unhelpful (isn't helping one another out the point of most production forums?), but in my experience, the "just experiment" response is usually given by people who are obviously newbies themselves. Most of the experienced guys will usually offer up some general on-point advice (and, no, not just to be "holier than thou").
But, that said, yeah I agree with some of the responses here that it's best to explain the general concepts for things that can be learned, rather than offer a paint-by-numbers approach, and leave the experimentation up to the person putting these concepts into practice. |
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| Existo22 |
Well I am going to play devils advocate and tell you guys that...
When making a tune you should experiment.
presets. Delete them all.
To be honest with you... recreating a sound should be the least of your worries. Get an old 70s 80s analog synth with knobs that doesn't even save the sounds and play the sequence and make the PERFECT PATCH for THAT Sequence in the context of THAT track.
A patch that doesn't exist anywhere in the world till YOU created it for THAT track.
Much better approach than making a half assed copycat attempt at recreating somebody else sound if you ask me ;)
But that is just my opinion. |
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| Cloud N9ne |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
Well I am going to play devils advocate and tell you guys that...
When making a tune you should experiment.
presets. Delete them all.
To be honest with you... recreating a sound should be the least of your worries. Get an old 70s 80s analog synth with knobs that doesn't even save the sounds and play the sequence and make the PERFECT PATCH for THAT Sequence in the context of THAT track.
A patch that doesn't exist anywhere in the world till YOU created it for THAT track.
Much better approach than making a half assed copycat attempt at recreating somebody else sound if you ask me ;)
But that is just my opinion. |
I don't think anybody is denying the fact that you need to experiment, but it's my understanding that this thread is directed towards people who respond to questions that could probably receive a much more informative answer then just experiment. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cloud N9ne
I don't think anybody is denying the fact that you need to experiment, but it's my understanding that this thread is directed towards people who respond to questions that could probably receive a much more informative answer then just experiment. |
Bingo. Thank you. ;) |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Well, yes and no, so let me clarify. I only used that as one example and it probably wasn't the best choice. I've seen the "just experiment" response to questions that are essentially as simple as "how do I use a paragraphic EQ?" or "how do I make a pluck sound?" Nobody is going to give away any secrets by explaining the controls on an EQ (or pointing them to another resource that will) or explaining that the most defining characteristic of a pluck is the shape of the amp envelope. Yes, a person can probably figure some of this out by themselves after much experimentation, but where's the harm in accelerating the learning process? A good teacher is not going to tell his students to just "go experiment" and come back next week understanding the difference between Phrygian mode and Dorian mode. Not only are those responses rude and unhelpful (isn't helping one another out the point of most production forums?), but in my experience, the "just experiment" response is usually given by people who are obviously newbies themselves. Most of the experienced guys will usually offer up some general on-point advice (and, no, not just to be "holier than thou").
But, that said, yeah I agree with some of the responses here that it's best to explain the general concepts for things that can be learned, rather than offer a paint-by-numbers approach, and leave the experimentation up to the person putting these concepts into practice. |
Well, fair enough now you've qualified it. Of course, if someone asks a specific question about doing something in a particular way, then "go experiment" is pretty useless and need not be posted. I have no problem with that....
...but I think it's justified to post "go experiment" on all those threads that say "how can I make a song like guetta" in the futile hope they eventually off (guetta 'n all).
And as fr deleting your presets, yeah it would be great if we could all sit there endlessly creating new sounds in a jean-michelle jarre wankathon, but that's elitest bull.
The foundations of EDM were based on sampling other people or using samples at every level, so don't let anyone ever make you feel for using a preset. You're just plain dumb if you want to use a sound that happens to already exist (and yes people it's ok to use an "existing sound" in dance music) but then go through the process of creating it yourself just to prove a point. No one gives a if you made it yourself, only whether it works and sounds nice. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And as fr deleting your presets, yeah it would be great if we could all sit there endlessly creating new sounds in a jean-michelle jarre wankathon, but that's elitest bull.
The foundations of EDM were based on sampling other people or using samples at every level, so don't let anyone ever make you feel for using a preset. You're just plain dumb if you want to use a sound that happens to already exist (and yes people it's ok to use an "existing sound" in dance music) but then go through the process of creating it yourself just to prove a point. No one gives a if you made it yourself, only whether it works and sounds nice. |
Bingo. Thank you. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
jean-michelle jarre wankathon |
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| Beautiful Beast |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
And as fr deleting your presets, yeah it would be great if we could all sit there endlessly creating new sounds in a jean-michelle jarre wankathon, but that's elitest bull.
The foundations of EDM were based on sampling other people or using samples at every level, so don't let anyone ever make you feel for using a preset. You're just plain dumb if you want to use a sound that happens to already exist (and yes people it's ok to use an "existing sound" in dance music) but then go through the process of creating it yourself just to prove a point. No one gives a if you made it yourself, only whether it works and sounds nice. |
So true. It's about creating something opposed to reproducing something. And it's not the tools but the end result that matters.
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| johncannons1 |
i agree . . .
sometimes the reason you want to learn a sound is not to put it in a a song to sound like someone else...
its to understand how they created that sound from scratch.. its actually a REALLY good way of learning how to programme i find because youve got the sound there and you can back track go over the steps you took to get that sound and tweak it differently to get other sounds etc.
but in saying that... some people might prefer doing it ALL themselves..
i do admit i like the first way.. but many times i have sat in front of thor... and fiddled with it(thor):stongue: lol
for HOURS |
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| sixofour.604 |
| How do I make a Reese? |
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| noicuc |
Just experiment is a pretty stupid answer..
I mean like..
Noob 1 : How do I make a that "raver fantasy" sound?
Noob 2 : Just experiment..
So yeah , to me 'just experiment' is a model answer when you dont know anything about the sound.. |
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| wrzonance |
Saying "just experiment" is just a way to get your post-count up.
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| palm |
experiment is like obvious and should not be mentioned in any case. if some needs to be told to experiment, they probably should be adviced to find another hobby instead. its like the google/search answer.
just be sure from now one people should have a disclaimer in th |
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