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Has a single person on this forum actually bought a vocal/sample cd? (pg. 2)
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
So, would the label give the money to you and then you just give half to the vocalist? |
Yes, that is the way we arranged it. The contract stipulates that our share of the profits will be paid to me, and that I will split our share 50/50 with the singer. |
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| david.michael |
Wasn't sure that the "trust" approach would fly. Sounds like you have a good thing going, though.  |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
For the price of of a couple of those CDs, you can buy a decent mic. Then add some of these (free)...
...and you can get the original results you're looking for, rather than being stuck with some cheesy samples or remixing the same old songs. ;)
(Yes, those are the singers I work with) |
sexy females, wut are their names? |
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| Raphie |
how to get a decent vocal track raphies way:
1 - Write a song and have an instrumental edit with verses and choruses lined up
2 - write your text, know what needs to be sung (nothing is more frustrating than having a singer over for a few hours and you then need to get creative
3- know your vocalchain, record your own voice, record cats/dogs/GF's/kids whatever, but KNOW what to do when the time is right, you need to make the most of your session and playing the engineer while the singer is waiting is NOT a good idea
4-Let the singer get at ease, listen to some of your previous work and some reference vocals,let her warm up her voice
5- start recording, use the first 30mins to "rehearse" you sell it as actually recording, but you use the takes to get everything right for here voice
6- once properly warmed up do the takes
7- once you got what YOU want, do some more improvising and addlibs which are always handy to have.
8- send her home and start mixing. |
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| RichieV |
just put an add at the local university.
you will find a great singer and it won't take that long and most will do it for 100$ . |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
I'd like to bump this thread for Raphie because I have my first vocalist coming to my house Fri and that was really a good read.
If ANYONE else has ANYTHING to add about how an ideal producer/singer session should go, i REALLY REALLY would appreciate it.
I was just gonna do everything on the fly originally but I can see now how having an actual game plan can look so much more professional.
If cryo, or anyone wants to add I really would appreciate it. Before I read this I wasn't even thinking that the singer might get bothered if shes sitting around cause I'll just entertain her, but I really would like to seem somewhat professional.
So thanks everyone who has posted, if anything was left out please let me know. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
Try to have some fun!
The girl u are recording may be nervous!
Happen to me with this girl she was so nervous, I just told her to come down, chill and have some fun and don't worry if u suck i have a program to make u sound like Mariah Carey or some body! |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by atxbigballer1
Try to have some fun!
The girl u are recording may be nervous!
Happen to me with this girl she was so nervous, I just told her to come down, chill and have some fun and don't worry if u suck i have a program to make u sound like Mariah Carey or some body! |
That honestly was gonna be my original approach. Just befriend the girl and keep it casual and fun.
But after seeing that step by step post I started having second thoughts. I still think I'd be better off not planning every second of the recording and kinda improvising as we go along.
I'm not a pro so it might come off weird if I try to act like one, plus one of the vocalists has some production experience herself so it might go smoother if I encourage her to add ideas rather then follow some list of things to do that I had planned. |
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| Kismet7 |
| Just find a crackwhore who has a nice deep voice. |
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| cryophonik |
Great tips Raphie!
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
If ANYONE else has ANYTHING to add about how an ideal producer/singer session should go, i REALLY REALLY would appreciate it.
I was just gonna do everything on the fly originally but I can see now how having an actual game plan can look so much more professional.
If cryo, or anyone wants to add I really would appreciate it. Before I read this I wasn't even thinking that the singer might get bothered if shes sitting around cause I'll just entertain her, but I really would like to seem somewhat professional.
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Usually, the first time I meet a singer, I approach it as more of a meet and chat sorta thing just to get comfortable with each and talk about our experience, how we would work together, expectations, etc. One important thing to keep in mind when first meeting a singer is that it's best to make sure that they're 100% comfortable, especially when it's a female coming over to a strange guy's house. This may sound like no-brainer stuff, but you really want to make sure that you don't scare her off by giving her the impression that recording isn't the only thing you've got in mind, ya know?!
When I first meet a singer, I usually meet her at a neutral location (Starbucks near my house) to talk a bit. I also invite her to bring a friend, boyfriend, etc. along - the singers that I've worked with have told me that, in hindsight, those sorta things went a long way toward quickly establishing trust. And, it works both ways - I don't like the idea of a lot of people knowing where I live and how much equipment I have in my studio. ;)
Anyway, once you get past that part, the rest is really up to you and the singer(s). The way I generally work with the singers is that I get a basic song idea together and email them an mp3 to write lyrics to. I intentionally try to keep the arrangement and instrumentation very basic (drum loop, basic bass line, pads), so that it can easily be changed to suit the singers' needs, range, etc. and to give them room to interpret it themselves. I usually provide them with a melody for the verses, chorus, bridge, etc., but I also leave it up to them to change it as needed to fit their lyrics and range. Sometimes, we end up having to transpose the entire song up/down a few steps to fit the sweet spot of their range - that's one of the reasons I like to keep the song in a relatively basic form until the vocals are recorded. I think it's also helpful for them to have a short version of the song that is primarily just the vocal melodies, rather than an 8-minute track that only has 3 minutes worth of vocals. But, I often tend to keep developing the song simultaneously while she's writing lyrics, just to keep the progress going.
As soon as she has the lyrics written, we schedule a session to record the vocals, which sometimes happens in one session, or sometimes it takes several, where the first session is spent recording a rough version from which we can develop the song even further. Once the final vox are recorded, I build the rest of the song around them.
So, that's one way that we work together. You'll probably find that there are many other ways of working, particularly if you are the one writing the lyrics, or if the singer is actively involved in the songwriting/production, etc. HTH. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
That honestly was gonna be my original approach. Just befriend the girl and keep it casual and fun.
But after seeing that step by step post I started having second thoughts. I still think I'd be better off not planning every second of the recording and kinda improvising as we go along.
I'm not a pro so it might come off weird if I try to act like one, plus one of the vocalists has some production experience herself so it might go smoother if I encourage her to add ideas rather then follow some list of things to do that I had planned. |
Also have a song ready to record, don't just make one up as u go!
and have lots of snacks and soda or may be a pizza or beer or some smoke if it helps and one or two brakes!:D |
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