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| wrzonance |
This is going to sound like hyperbole but, if California can emerge from this budget crisis with TONS of programs cut, and a real budget.
Imagine how well positioned they'll be when this current economy turns around?
With such a large state, with ports, and silicon valley, and hollywood --- cutting a little fat out of their government will set them up perfectly when this economic cloud passes.
That's my 2 cents.
Based on what I've heard on NPR, guesses, and assumptions.
(at least I'm honest) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
ps: pkc, I am quite uninformed in monetary policy, so feel free to mock my wholly unknowing of it all. :) I should probably study up on it a bit, so if you have any helpful resources, they would be greatly appreciated. |
Well, im hardly better than you really, so I’ll leave you in the hands of wiki
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Monetary policy is the process by which the government, central bank, or monetary authority of a country controls (i) the supply of money, (ii) availability of money, and (iii) cost of money or rate of interest, in order to attain a set of objectives oriented towards the growth and stability of the economy. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
No, but your argument is based solely on the fact that you would be better off, and this is demonstrably incorrect. Your budget would balloon like you wouldn’t believe, and how you gonna pay it, considering you can't pay today's? |
I have been meaning to get something rolling on this in the form of a non-profit to study the sustainability and survivability of a free and independent Northwest.
http://jeffersongroup.org/
I been lazy though. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I have been meaning to get something rolling on this in the form of a non-profit to study the sustainability and survivability of a free and independent Northwest.
http://jeffersongroup.org/
I been lazy though. |
haha, i know it sounds all fun and awesome but the reality is that an independent northwest would have a negative impact (on the people of cali) in many different ways, and there will be huge repercussions in areas you would never have predicted. like, i dunno, war ;)
i also think you're greatly trivialising/dismissing the benefits of being part of the union in the year 2009, especially given the current economic climate. remember, there is nothing from preventing california from re-discovering the huge deficits of 09 again and again in the future. indeed, its probably guaranteed if you look ahead for long enough.
federalism isn't perfect but its a load better than the state-based alternative. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
haha, i know it sounds all fun and awesome but the reality is that an independent northwest would have a negative impact (on the people of cali) in many different ways, and there will be huge repercussions in areas you would never have predicted. like, i dunno, war ;)
i also think you're greatly trivialising/dismissing the benefits of being part of the union in the year 2009, especially given the current economic climate. remember, there is nothing from preventing california from re-discovering the huge deficits of 09 again and again in the future. indeed, its probably guaranteed if you look ahead for long enough.
federalism isn't perfect but its a load better than the state-based alternative. |
Washington isnt california though... for the most part we dont even like californians.
They ing move up here looking for jobs then bitch and moan how its not like california! :mad:
Washington has a very diverse economy as well as strong ties to asia and canada. The northwest as a whole is an agricultural powerhouse, producing a majority of the nations potatoes and hops as well as many other major crops.
I know a lot of these are far fetched dreams and I do not see them coming to fruition in my life time, but I love the Pacific Northwest with a huge passion and a lot of people here feel the same way about it. We often feel detached from the rest of the nations views and goals anyways. We are also often ignored in the media and thought of as savages or rednecks on the east coast.
My Washington State History teacher in 9th grade was from New York and when she said she was moving to Washington, at first no one even thought of the state, but DC, and when they found out it was the state they'd ask questions like "Do they even have electricity there?" or "I heard there arent any roads, its all forest!"
Its not that we hold much animosity towards our eastern masters, its just that we feel we could do it better on our own give the chance.
On the other hand, if it came to war we would defend our land with a zealous passion. :) Western Washington and Oregon is very strategically situated with a long series of mountain ranges on its eastern and southern border and our northern border is that of Canada. To the east of the mountains is rugged desert terrain. We could hold our own if need be till international aide is allowed in. |
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| Zharen |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
No, but your argument is based solely on the fact that you would be better off, and this is demonstrably incorrect. Your budget would balloon like you wouldn’t believe, and how you gonna pay it, considering you can't pay today's? |
Am I the only Californian here who actually agrees with this? We're dealing with a huge budget deficit and you guys think seceding from the Union is a great idea? How are we going to fund money on our own military, to protect our borders in case the Mexican drug cartels become more emboldened to set up shop here? Other government agencies and tax services that will need to be setup, all costing us even more ing money to do. If it ever came to do that, I'll move to Colorado then. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| is seceding an actual serious option that people are talking about?? i thought all of you guys commenting on that were just taking the piss :p |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
is seceding an actual serious option that people are talking about?? i thought all of you guys commenting on that were just taking the piss :p |
Its not a serious discussion yet, but anyone with half a brain could see it being a real possibility if things get too bad.
I mean thats a long long ways off, but I don't think anyone is doubting it. We aren't talking bloody revolution or anything, but something legislative...
Nothing will happen probably. |
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| Zharen |
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No, it's not. I'm just a bit surprised some on here actually do find it a novel idea.
| quote: | Washington isnt california though... for the most part we dont even like californians.
They ing move up here looking for jobs then bitch and moan how its not like california! |
LOLOLOLOL |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zharen
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No, it's not. I'm just a bit surprised some on here actually do find it a novel idea.
LOLOLOLOL |
Its true! :mad:
Seriously ing annoying. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Washington has a very diverse economy as well as strong ties to asia and canada. The northwest as a whole is an agricultural powerhouse, producing a majority of the nations potatoes and hops as well as many other major crops. |
California produces way more agriculture for the US than Washington state does. California is a much larger ag powerhouse than WA is.
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
is seceding an actual serious option that people are talking about?? i thought all of you guys commenting on that were just taking the piss :p |
I was drinking and thought it would be something fun to debate. Do I think it is a realistic possibility? Not in the near distant future. As pkc said, probably not in our lifetimes. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
California produces way more agriculture for the US than Washington state does. California is a much larger ag powerhouse than WA is. |
I never said it was bigger than Cali.
If you combine, WA, OR, ID you get something roughly comparable though with about the same amount of area. |
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