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| gummybear |
i'm not sure if it's all his management..doesn't he call any shots...??? I'm beginning to lose more and more respect for him..they are asking for something they are never going to get....why not take the massive amounts of cash and the glory of fighting in the UFC?
The co-promotion thing is a bunch of bull....I say him...there's not gurantee he can beat that freakin gorilla anyways... |
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| MarkT |
not even worthy of debate.
Fedor murders Brock 9 times out of 10.
I hope he does sign, to shut up all the n00bs...but a fight with Overeem is far more interesting, IMHO. perhaps Barnett in Japan on NYE... |
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| gummybear |
I hope you're not calling me a noob cuz i can't stand Lesnar and have hated him from the moment they offered him any fights..i'm not into the WWE stars coming in to the UFC...
The only reason I ever give Lesnar any chance is because of his size..yes, skill should win out..but as we saw with Mir....size can keep the down and make sure you have way of using your skills..
Trust me, I hate the fact that he wins fights because he is big and able to keep people down with his weight..
Hopefully Fedor would take him but there are never gurantees.....
that aside.. fedor...there i said... |
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| MarkT |
not referring to you at all, sorry if it came across that way. I'm referring to people in general.
and it's actually less about the people who don't recognize Fedor as #1 and say with some kind of conviction that Brock *will* kill him...as it's easy to dismiss that nonsense.
it's more about the people saying that Fedor "needs" to sign with UFC to cement his legacy as the best HW in MMA. I really disagree, despite wanting him to sign just to silence those misguided critics.
Behind Brock, there is who? Randy? maybe that's a 2nd interesting fight...but then who? no one with anything more than a puncher's chance to beat Fedor, IMHO. There are actually more fights for Fedor OUTSIDE of the UFC. There is Barnett, Overeem, Werdum, Monson, Kharitonov, Arona, Rogers, perhaps Roger Gracie (eventually)...
the UFC hype machine does a great job of convincing people otherwise though. Dana really does deserve every cent he earns.
So why hold out? we can't know for sure. the rumours are endless. Russian mafia being involved is one of the crazier ones (imagine if that's true). Regardless, Fedor is not a guy who has been paid his whole career thus far and who sees UFC as his meal ticket, so the pressure to sign is not a financial one (as it is for the majority of other fighters). His management, M-1, also knows that the UFC would benefit a great deal in its expansion efforts with Fedor under contract, since Fedor has a *massive* following in Japan and across Europe, (everywhere BUT the U.S., actually) so M-1 apparently wants a piece of that pie.
it's a game that is bigger than the actual fights, IMHO. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
not even worthy of debate.
Fedor murders Brock 9 times out of 10.
I hope he does sign, to shut up all the n00bs...but a fight with Overeem is far more interesting, IMHO. perhaps Barnett in Japan on NYE... |
I think the spread's tighter than that.
In a fight between the two of them it would rely heavily on whether or not Fedor can keep the fight standing. If Brock was able to bring it to the ground, he'd probably do what he does to everyone (even Fedor), lie on top of them and smash their face until they submit. Now that he's not throwing those hissy-fit punches, I think it'll be real tough for anyone to beat him if he can take them to the ground.
That being said, Fedor would probably stand a good chance of knocking Brock out upon his advancement to attempt a take-down. And it's fairly common for Brock to take a few shots before he throws his opponent on their ass. |
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| petro |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
it's more about the people saying that Fedor "needs" to sign with UFC to cement his legacy as the best HW in MMA. I really disagree, despite wanting him to sign just to silence those misguided critics.
Behind Brock, there is who? Randy? maybe that's a 2nd interesting fight...but then who? no one with anything more than a puncher's chance to beat Fedor, IMHO. There are actually more fights for Fedor OUTSIDE of the UFC. There is Barnett, Overeem, Werdum, Monson, Kharitonov, Arona, Rogers, perhaps Roger Gracie (eventually)...
the UFC hype machine does a great job of convincing people otherwise though. Dana really does deserve every cent he earns.
So why hold out? we can't know for sure. the rumours are endless. Russian mafia being involved is one of the crazier ones (imagine if that's true). Regardless, Fedor is not a guy who has been paid his whole career thus far and who sees UFC as his meal ticket, so the pressure to sign is not a financial one (as it is for the majority of other fighters). His management, M-1, also knows that the UFC would benefit a great deal in its expansion efforts with Fedor under contract, since Fedor has a *massive* following in Japan and across Europe, (everywhere BUT the U.S., actually) so M-1 apparently wants a piece of that pie.
it's a game that is bigger than the actual fights, IMHO. |
As much as I enjoy criticizing the UFC and Dana I do side with them on the Fedor issue. Sure there might be HWs out there that are tougher fights for Fedor outside of Brock and the UFC, but I do feel that Fedor in UFC will do more to help the sport grow as a whole. At some point you have to face the fact that the UFC is the biggest, most recognizable and fastest growing MMA organization in the world. They are also incredibly consistant with their fightcards, and at the rate in which they deliver them.
Fedor fighting in the UFC on a regular basis will not only elevate his and UFC's popularity world wide, but other fighters will be exposed to his style, thus taking the game to the next level of competion. And so what if the UFC division is not stacked? Is there any other single organization out there that has a deeper pool? It's a lot better than what it was two years ago and if Fedor was a part of it dont you think Dana will go out of his way to recruit guys that you've mentioned? (altho I think all of them are weaksauce with the exception of Alistair)
In terms of money, while I know Fedor isnt struggling but having those so called super-fights between Brock and Fedor (while not as appealing to you, the hardcore fan) will only catapult the populatiry of the sport. Consequently, this new found mainstream popularity could increase salary standards comparable to what other professional atheletes make.
As for the M-1 point, the UFC has nothing to gain from co-promoting with them. They're an organization with one marquee fighter and thats it. They're not the internationally recognized band, Fedor is. The UFC will gain overseas exposure with Fedor regardless if M-1 is on board or not.
And I know the relationship between M-1 and Fedor is a unique one, (I believe Fedor is a co-owner of the organization), and he's under contract with them for the next 3 fights, but that arrangment clearly isn't working in his favor (or our's lol). |
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| revival |
| one of my best mates manages fedor, im not a fight fan really but for TA i will get the scoop |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
not referring to you at all, sorry if it came across that way. I'm referring to people in general.
and it's actually less about the people who don't recognize Fedor as #1 and say with some kind of conviction that Brock *will* kill him...as it's easy to dismiss that nonsense.
it's more about the people saying that Fedor "needs" to sign with UFC to cement his legacy as the best HW in MMA. I really disagree, despite wanting him to sign just to silence those misguided critics.
Behind Brock, there is who? Randy? maybe that's a 2nd interesting fight...but then who? no one with anything more than a puncher's chance to beat Fedor, IMHO. There are actually more fights for Fedor OUTSIDE of the UFC. There is Barnett, Overeem, Werdum, Monson, Kharitonov, Arona, Rogers, perhaps Roger Gracie (eventually)...
the UFC hype machine does a great job of convincing people otherwise though. Dana really does deserve every cent he earns.
So why hold out? we can't know for sure. the rumours are endless. Russian mafia being involved is one of the crazier ones (imagine if that's true). Regardless, Fedor is not a guy who has been paid his whole career thus far and who sees UFC as his meal ticket, so the pressure to sign is not a financial one (as it is for the majority of other fighters). His management, M-1, also knows that the UFC would benefit a great deal in its expansion efforts with Fedor under contract, since Fedor has a *massive* following in Japan and across Europe, (everywhere BUT the U.S., actually) so M-1 apparently wants a piece of that pie.
it's a game that is bigger than the actual fights, IMHO. |
lol..no worries...i was probably being sensitive cuz i'm a girl and always feel like i have to prove myself even though i've been into MMA for a good 10 years...
UFC is the biggest promoter MMA on the planet ..it is the NFL of fighting and co-promoting with M1 is just ridiculous...The UFC doesn't need M1. M1 obviously needs the UFC and want to piggy back on their success.
The UFC wants Fedor because the fans want Fedor...I don't blame Dana for being pissed off..the fans won't leave him alone about getting Fedor and I believe he has done everything he possibly can to get the guy..
I just don't see why Fedor is holding out for so much when he has already been offered more than any other fighter, ever...I don't see how this situation is not a win, win for both parties...
That's why I say, forget about him. He doesn't want to fight in the UFC, that's fine. I won't lose sleep over it...as a fighter, I don't see why he wouldn't want to make the move but that's his choice...
Like someone said, it's not a given that Fedor could beat Brock. I can't stand Lesnar but that size and the ability to keep people down is a serious thorn in my side..it basically takes skill out of the equation..I would LOVE to see Fedor KTFO of Brock but seems like that's not going to happen anytime soon..Maybe when Fedor's contract is up with M1 but that's a year or two away...and to be honest, his legacy will not be complete till he fights in the UFC..but that's just my opinion...
In the meantime, i say the HW division....as long as Lesnar is champion, i'm not interested. To be honest, I don't know who can actually avoid being taken down by this guy..
Bah..who cares...i'm looking for Kenflo to kick some Hawaiian ass...:) |
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| MarkT |
http://sherdog.com/news/news/update...-responds-18883
| quote: | Update: Fedor to Strikeforce; UFC Responds
Monday, August 03, 2009
by Loretta Hunt ([email protected])
Fedor Emelianenko has signed a multi-fight agreement that will see the world’s No. 1-ranked heavyweight compete for Strikeforce, the promotion announced Monday.
Emelianenko, who became a free agent after Affliction Entertainment canceled its Aug. 1 event two weeks ago, will make his debut on Showtime under a co-promoted Strikeforce/M-1 Global production this fall. Emelianenko was to have faced Josh Barnett at Affliction “Trilogy” on Aug. 1, but Barnett failed a pre-fight test for an anabolic steroid and was refused licensure by the California State Athletic Commission.
"Strikeforce is a top fight promotion that houses some of the greatest fighters in the world," said Emelianenko in a press release. "I am prepared to fight any of them."
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker told Sherdog.com last week that he plans to match the stoic Russian against the likes of Brett Rogers, Fabricio Werdum and the promotion’s heavyweight champion, Alistair Overeem.
“I feel pretty confident that we could give him four or five opponents that would make sense for him,” Coker told Sherdog.com in an exclusive video interview.
Emelianenko, along with his promoters and management team at M-1 Global, had negotiated with the UFC last week, but could not come to an agreement over co-promotion.
"Fedor is a f---ing joke," UFC President Dana White responded Monday after learning that Emelianenko had signed with Strikeforce. “He turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies for no money!"
This article was updated at 3:52 p.m. EST with a quote from Dana White. |
it's a shame. I did want to see him sign. I simply don't have a hate-on for Fedor's camp like most others do. lol @ Dana's typical bashing though. he's probably pissed because Fedor isn't headed back to Japan. Strikeforce is a legit smaller org and has deals with CBS and Showtime, so this will likely not be another Affliction-like financial implosion as the org has solid partners and is run by experienced people.
hopefully he gets an immediate shot at Overeem, who would probably be the best striker Fedor has faced in quite some time. Excellent kickboxer, coming off a win over K-1 beast, Badr Hari.
more stories on Yahoo Sports and MMAweekly.com:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ys-mmaweek080209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9281&zoneid=2 |
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| petro |
| I wonder how many fights they signed him for and if the contracts run consecutive with M-1's co-promotion. Hopefully its only 3 fights like his M-1 contract and then Fedor can re-evaluate his situation. Because I gotta say, as a fan I cant help but feel a loss excitement for his upcoming strikeforce fights. |
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| Brennen |
| quote: | Originally posted by petro
I wonder how many fights they signed him for and if the contracts run consecutive with M-1's co-promotion. Hopefully its only 3 fights like his M-1 contract and then Fedor can re-evaluate his situation. Because I gotta say, as a fan I cant help but feel a loss excitement for his upcoming strikeforce fights. |
I dont understand M-1, they were guaranteed millions from UFC and are taking a big risk with Strikeforce. They put all their eggs in one basket. UFC isnt going anywhere.
Dana likes to flip flop his stories, first Fedor is a hack when hes with Affliction, once that went under he was the best, now that he signed with Strikeforce Fedor sucks again lol |
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| MarkT |
according to some sources, M-1 is indeed co-promoting with Strikeforce and will hold the promotional rights outside of North America. I would imagine that will bring in a few bucks (perhaps even offsetting whatever UFC offered if they score a few decent broadcast deals in Europe or Asia).
a quick blog that sums up my feelings as well (though they left out Werdum)...i.e. Strikeforce will be fine for both sides and there are more compelling free agent fights outside the UFC:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/article...alent-gap-18893
| quote: | Three for Three: Evaluating the UFC/Strikeforce Talent Gap
I’m sure you’ve heard the news by now: according to researchers, fat babies have a 40% greater chance of becoming fat toddlers.
Of significantly less consequence is the report that Fedor Emelianenko has signed a three-fight deal with Strikeforce that’s likely to begin in the fall. The common reaction from both fans and UFC honchos has been the idea that Emelianenko simply isn’t interested in testing himself against top competition.
For the sake of argument: while the UFC holds a majority share of quality heavyweights, the idea that Emelianenko’s legacy will be tainted by never making eye contact with them is a stretch.
Consider:
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: A non-entity where Emelianenko is concerned. He loses a fourth fight only if he fractures both his hands against Nogueira’s skull.
Randy Couture: Legendary, but well into middle age.
Frank Mir: Smashed to pieces by Brock Lesnar, and traditionally weakest where Emelianenko is strongest: dropping nuclear bombs on grounded opponents.
Ben Rothwell, Junior dos Santos, Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, Cheick Kongo: I could think of better ways to spend a Saturday.
Putting aside inter-divisional fights with Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida -- which would be lots of fun for spectators -- the UFC really has three upper-tier heavyweights with skills that could potentially give Emelianenko a very hard time: Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez. Three.
Strikeforce can match the ante with Alistair Overeem, Brett Rogers and some kind of wild card entrant: Bobby Lashley, Blagoi Ivanov, perhaps even Josh Barnett.
The proposition that Strikeforce employs air conditioning repairmen and the UFC enlists only Olympic athletes is pushing the envelope; I’d almost sooner see Emelianenko go on a free-agent tear for a year or two before settling in with the UFC, considering that their asphyxiating contracts invite retirement at their conclusions.
Emelianenko will be just fine. So will his career. And so will his fans.
Those damn fat babies are the ones worth worrying about. |
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