Originally posted by Clovis
First off, I was talking about the first video in which you can barely discern playing in the first place.
Second, regardless of how "good" this sounds, it's already been pointed out that having 6 guys with laptops on stage to achieve that is pointless.
Electronic Dance Music need not be made to seem like it's something more than it really is in my opinion.
I think Luciano has made some great music. I think Mirko Loko, Digitaline and all those guys have made some great music. I don't see the point of this. I Luciano is just bored of DJing and thinks this will show everyone he's on some purported next level and more of an "artist".
i disagree, trying something new (albeit this is nothing new) is not a bad thing at all. Regardless of whether "we" or anyone will accept or like it, technology will continue and new things will be done.
You can see this in production, performing, visual and pretty much in anything associated to this. (many tracks will be done in 5.1 for instance in the near future.)
If you think that in 10 years from now everything will be the same, that is totally false, as the amount of changes that has occurred in the last 2 years is pretty big alone. Live performance is the future and not djing regardless of our opinions of it. You can see this alone with the number of live acts that have come about these last few years compared to say 10 years ago (or even 5).
Nothing has to seem like it is something more, that does not mean everything needs to stay in the same place either.
take this for instance:
this is not intended to be dance music, it is only intended to bring another aspect to performance art. Everything does not have to be so black and white imo.
Clovis
quote:
Originally posted by lenazi
i disagree, trying something new (albeit this is nothing new)
Which pretty much made the rest of your post, as far as this thread goes, useless.
I'm all for pushing it. 5.1 tracks will be awesome. But this seems to me like mostly grandstanding.
lenazi
so from now on until the end of time it will just be djs going from track to track?
sorry, i don't care if you think it is useless or not, it is not going to happen.
point a ligne.
grand·stand (grndstnd, grn-)
n.
1. A roofed stand for spectators at a stadium or racetrack.
2. The spectators or audience at an event.
intr.v. grand·stand·ed, grand·stand·ing, grand·stands
To perform ostentatiously so as to impress an audience.
by its own defination it could be said that playing other peoples music and getting paid to do it could be considered as grandstanding.;)
Clovis
Where did I say it will be just DJs? :stongue:
I think there are plenty of more interesting ways we are going to find to play and present electronic music to people and make them dance. More live instrumentation, and better integrated live instrumentation, custom visual shows made specifically for live sets (as with Audion's upcoming tour), and so on. AEther is, as you said, nothing new, nor is it doing anything new, nor does the end result seem like anything of much interest to me.
Your Luciano hard on is showing.
Clovis
quote:
Originally posted by lenazi
by its own defination it could be said that playing other peoples music and getting paid to do it could be considered as grandstanding.;)
Only if you're pretending it's something greater than it really is.
lenazi
tell me were i said i liked it;) (i'm the one who argued with bas at first about this being nothing new btw...i've seen narod nikki live and it rocked, no arguing will change this) I think you know i appreciate a dj set as much or MORE than the next guy....but
since when is electronic music just for dancing? There are tons of successful artists who produce without the intention of making people dance. Your argument is sort of like the vinyl purist saying cd wasn't ok, then ableton/dvs wasn't ok .(you should know you have defended ableton quite a bit in the past.) Through all of the bitching the changes kept happening.
Once again find me where i say this is mind blowing stuff. I don't have to like it, you don't have to like it, but it is going to happen and people will pay to see it regardless of what anyone thinks. I for one welcome this a hell of a lot more than the dj who throws up a jesus pose and jumps around. To me this is more productive.
We don't have to agree, because there are tons of people already doing things of this nature.
It doesn't matter good or bad, like or dislike, it is here.
Clovis
Yeah I'm just saying I'll take Mikael Stavostrand's live PA with just his laptop and a little midi controller over this .
lenazi
and like i said i don't think that there is anything wrong with that either or one is better than the other. (i've seen stravostrand do a pa too:p).
can we both agree at least that this is better than one guy crowd surfing with a wii mote?:p
palm
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Originally posted by lenazi
i agree the way that someone looks totally changes what comes out of the speakers. he might look better in a warehouse.
it matters when u actualy have to close your eyes to enjoy the music beacuse whats infront of you is so disgusting and embarresing that u have to go away in shame over mandkind if u actualy saw it. like i feel with this video. i wanted to burn out my eyes with boiling oil. its not the first time lately though, these shocking youtube vids.
iTranscendence
I think we are seeing the development of the hippie jam band of the 21st century.
lenazi
better imo. You can do cocaine off of a laptop while using it, try that with a ing pan flute:p
and guys don't try and tell me that atom heart vid doesn't look cool, it was awesome:p
iTranscendence
quote:
Originally posted by lenazi
better imo. You can do cocaine off of a laptop while using it, try that with a ing pan flute:p
and guys don't try and tell me that atom heart vid doesn't look cool, it was awesome:p
Speaking of pan flutes, I don't think it will be long before you see ableton jam bands on every corner in america.
