|
16 bit vs. 24 bit AUDIBLE DISCUSSION (NO TECH SPECS) (pg. 7)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Pjotr G |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It is my understanding that the system you are recording on will have less noise if you are working in a higher bit rate, so you will have less additional noise added to whatever is already being added by the cables (and the room, if you are recording through a mic). Is that incorrect? |
I don't know, but I can't think of any reason why this would be correct. That's why I'm interested in an explanation for this supposed phenomenon.
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
How much noise does the dithering process actually add, though?
|
I'm not sure, it also depends on algorithm/settings used. In my tracker days I used to convert samples from 16 bit to 8 bit ; there it was very audible. |
|
|
| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pjotr G
I don't know, but I can't think of any reason why this would be correct. That's why I'm interested in an explanation for this supposed phenomenon. |
I could very well be confused. I am less knowledgeable about recording than about other aspects of production. |
|
|
| DjStephenWiley |
I can't believe nobody picked up on the sarcasm?
I love analog sounds, regardless of the numbers, VCO's, or whatever. I don't see what is any different about 24 bit and 16 bit. There is no difference. It's just one of many medium factors in music, that creates audible changes (sometimes more than others), and apparently nobody on this forum can grasp this simple concept and have a discussion regarding the topic and original post. |
|
|
| palm |
| there is no topic, dont u get it? its like discussing how u feel about 1+2=3 |
|
|
| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
there is no topic, dont u get it? its like discussing how u feel about 1+2=3 |
So you are saying that everything regarding this topic is factual, non-subjective, and the gospel?
Why is it so hard to try and discern audible differences from 24 bit or 16 bit.
I don't understand what differentiates this from other topics regarding different mediums for dance music. |
|
|
| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
I can't believe nobody picked up on the sarcasm?
I love analog sounds, regardless of the numbers, VCO's, or whatever. I don't see what is any different about 24 bit and 16 bit. There is no difference. It's just one of many medium factors in music, that creates audible changes (sometimes more than others), and apparently nobody on this forum can grasp this simple concept and have a discussion regarding the topic and original post. |
Your being really confusing now. In your original post you say you can hear a difference between 16 and 24 bit.
Now youre saying there is NO difference, which is it????
Ok here it is. I quickly made a small loop out of some NI Synthetic Drum 24 bit samples. Then exported out of Live 7 with no dither as both 24 bit and 16 bit, then converted to 320kbps mp3 with LAME in Wavelab.
File A is the 16 bit loop. File B is the 24 bit loop. What is File X?
edit: sod this, a 24 bit file will be bigger in size than a 16 bit file regardless of format, also nothing to stop a person downloading files and checking bit rate in an analyser....
so unless someone has a better idea.......... |
|
|
| coroknight |
| Won't converting to mp3 kinda ruin the test? |
|
|
| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by coroknight
Won't converting to mp3 kinda ruin the test? |
In theory, yes.
Will it?
Let's see.
Add extra space of dead noise on files to alter size differences, and there shouldn't be much (if any) size differences once encoded to mp3 |
|
|
| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
Your being really confusing now. In your original post you say you can hear a difference between 16 and 24 bit.
Now youre saying there is NO difference, which is it????
Ok here it is. I quickly made a small loop out of some NI Synthetic Drum 24 bit samples. Then exported out of Live 7 with no dither as both 24 bit and 16 bit, then converted to 320kbps mp3 with LAME in Wavelab.
File A is the 16 bit loop. File B is the 24 bit loop. What is File X?
edit: sod this, a 24 bit file will be bigger in size than a 16 bit file regardless of format, also nothing to stop a person downloading files and checking bit rate in an analyser....
so unless someone has a better idea.......... |
Did not mean there is no difference between the two bit rates. I meant there is no difference arguing about analog vs. digital than there is 24 vs. 16 |
|
|
| evo8 |
When i encode the files to mp3 they go to 16 bit, i dont know how to encode 24bit mp3s or if its even possible
I mean if you make some loops with your own 24 bit samples, render some of them to 16 bit, then import sets of each into your sequencer and play it randomly can you really tell the difference?
I tried it with those loops i made earlier and i really couldnt tell the difference, i would just have to guess which was which |
|
|
| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
When i encode the files to mp3 they go to 16 bit, i dont know how to encode 24bit mp3s or if its even possible
I mean if you make some loops with your own 24 bit samples, render some of them to 16 bit, then import sets of each into your sequencer and play it randomly can you really tell the difference?
I tried it with those loops i made earlier and i really couldnt tell the difference, i would just have to guess which was which |
There we go. Focusing on the audible side of things. As for encoding mp3's at 24bit, the answer is no. As I said in the original post, 99.9% of stuff that is going through peoples ears is 16bits.
The point of the thread is to gather opinions on the use of 24 bit samples vs. 16 bit samples, as well as how they sound when filtered down to mp3.
Because of various production qualities, and the fact that the changes are extremely subtle, you can only really do comparisons using the exact same source (which you did)
You said you couldn't hear the difference when filtered down to mp3. Could you tell the difference when working with them?
Any positive/negative stories involving projects that used a lot of 24 bit samples that were filtered to 16bit and then mp3? |
|
|
|
|
