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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
But the real trick is in making sure after that massive build, the momentum and power continues into the chorus - sounds obvious - but loads of tracks suffer with a chorus less powerful than the build, so it's a very fine balance to achieve.
I've really gone off kick / snare rolls. |
This is actually a thing I see happening way too much. people do this epicly long amazing build and then they don't transfer the energy through; makes me very sad:( |
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| Alphadelta |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
This is actually a thing I see happening way too much. people do this epicly long amazing build and then they don't transfer the energy through; makes me very sad:( |
I agree.. But equally, it can be just as effective to actually drop it right back down again to some of the key elements straight after the massive build up/tension/crescendo - maybe even just the kick and bassline.. And then progress it upwards again to the next break, or full-on drop.. A lot of artists do this nowadays.. |
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| Waza |
i'll post a sample up of the tune i'm working on when i get home.
all good info here thanks.
and when it goes into the chorus so you can let me know how it sounds.
Waza
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| lenieNt Force |
I have a very good tip for you.
One of the easiest but most effective techniques there is. And I may sound sarcastic but truly I am sincere when I tell you to analyze tracks! If you want to get your tracks up to a certain standard you should listen analytically to the kind of music you wanna compare to! All the time, not just once or twice to a couple of tracks! Listening analytically with sharp ears to music, seperating elements, interpreting production techniques and understanding composition is an artform in and of itself. Going back and forth, comprehending all happenings and transitions.
Ever heard this phrase before?
"Listen and learn!"
There's something to it.
Hope it helps!
PS: If you want an understanding of how to build tension in a break listen to.. no not just listen to... listen analytically to Ocean Drive Boulevard by Leon Bolier. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
^^^^ Very, very good point.
Monkey hear, monkey do.
Many producers will tell beginners that a good way of learning to produce is trying to replicate your favorite tracks. Waza, you are obviously no beginner as I have heard the quality of your work, but as the poster mentioned above, perhaps some critical listening would really help. Find things in tracks you like and re-create them. If you hit a wall, post a clip on here and see if somebody can help. Rinse, repeat, and get better every day. |
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| Waza |
Cheers LenieNt for the tips and actually your right in this, so this weekend i'll have a look at the track you said.
also thanks stephen on your coments, the track you heard has changed alot, i just need to get the build up dpwn to the way i want it and i'll let you have a listen to it again. |
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| Reno |
Some techniques I use:
White noise with low pass filter slowly opening filter. Can do the same with pad, melody etc.
Same again with HP filter and also using both in conjunction i.e. two different sounds, one opening one closing. This also works great with pads.
Typical drums rolls as explained earlier increasing drum activity mainly on kicks, hats and crashes.
changing the pitch of a constant synth sound either using lfo or pitch modulation with huge range.
If you have a melody that is say 16 bars that has been playing up to the break, at the break only repeat the first 4 or 8 bars so it becomes repetitive then on the last 16 bar section before the beat cuts in again, play the whole melody again but add a couple of unexpected note changes on the last few bars. Even do all of this but up an octave.
It sometimes helps to do all of the above but cut it all before the main beat and throw in something completely new.
Adding more reverb slowly or increasing the release on the synth melody also produces great fx.
Now do all of this in one break and you will have created some great tension to drop in the phatest beat ever!!
As somebody mentioned previously, it's all about change and getting a balance between predictability and unpredictability |
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by Waza
Cheers LenieNt for the tips and actually your right in this, so this weekend i'll have a look at the track you said.
also thanks stephen on your coments, the track you heard has changed alot, i just need to get the build up dpwn to the way i want it and i'll let you have a listen to it again. |
Leon is a true master of his craft so don't get discouraged if you don't get as much energy to it as he does. Bare in mind that track has one of the best breaks ever made, when it comes to energy build (not kidding. my personal opinion.) |
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| Kysora |
Usually I do typical reverb/drum rolls/uplifting effects that lead up to the last 2 measures of the buildup, then I'll usually add a crash or a reverb kick or something. I let the background stuff play as normal for those two measures, maybe add another uplifter behind it or a small snare roll. Those two relatively calm measures allow for a better lead into the section when you reintroduce the beat, and it's especially helpful if you think that part is typically less energetic than the build-up.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about :
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=74&s= |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by lenieNt Force
Leon is a true master of his craft so don't get discouraged if you don't get as much energy to it as he does. Bare in mind that track has one of the best breaks ever made, when it comes to energy build (not kidding. my personal opinion.) |
Agreed. One of my fav breaks/tracks of all time. Such an amazing masterpiece. Dudes a God of the production realms. |
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| Waza |
Ok here's what i've done so far.
let me know what you think and what to add etc.
cheers.
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Waza
Ok here's what i've done so far.
let me know what you think and what to add etc.
cheers.
Sample |
Sounds good although I'd personally like it more if it went straight into the chorus instead of evaporating into nothing for a few bars like it did. After the kick roll just do a smaller 1/2 or 1 bar fill and then get into the chorus; it will transfer the energy better. |
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