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To listen and follow the advice of the popular producers, or not? (pg. 2)
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| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
I know most of you are going to say that the answer falls somewhere in between these two extremes, but let's pick one and go with it. I personally think avoiding major advice and trying to do what successful producers do is not a good idea. |
I have an issue with this part of your argument. You say "let's pick an extreme" and follow that immediately with "avoiding MAJOR advice".
Already you've started moving away from the extreme towards the middle - can you define what "major advice" and "minor advice" are? Where do you personally draw the line?
edit - actually, I'm not sure what you meant with that sentence - "avoiding major advice and trying to do what successful producers do". |
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| RichieV |
| no amount of `not listening` will correct bad taste. The more knowledge , the more power. |
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| sixofour.604 |
| Isn't "taste" simply determined by how common your sound is, And the general public's view of that sound? |
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| owien |
i have come to learn that over the last year and never before posting on a music form has led to learning new tricks from people/pros and landed up not making any tracks i felt happy with.
it must come down to thinking way to hard about what you make or in this case not make.
i have often contemplated cutting myself out of the loop because in the end i just want to make intresting and orignal tunes.and as time goes on the idea grows more tempting. |
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| Dreamtea |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
i have often contemplated cutting myself out of the loop because in the end i just want to make intresting and orignal tunes.and as time goes on the idea grows more tempting. |
Nothing to think about really, I have often been in that situation myself when I "have" to do a track in a certain style and just end up with a boring loop that go nowhere.
Try to do a song you feel is right for you and see what happens. Its not like the end of the world if the result isnt played on ASOT. |
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| Energy_3 |
I was wondering on whether to mention anything in this thread. As its pretty much been covered by everyone else here. But i am new to producing music, well been at it for 4 years or so and i personally feel that its an advantage to receive information/advice from those more advanced than yourself.
I know we could argue that its debatable as to whether this will become your advantage as it may in fact hinder your progress more so than advance it (as there are multiple means to an end) some more correct then others. But in saying that, its definitely a worth while experience learning from others as they help lay a foundation to which one can work from rather then playing a guessing game on procedure etc etc (which, i guess can be fun as well) then, as you progress and develop your own knowledge/style methodology you able reflect on what was of benefit, and what was of no benefit.
"Its the nature - nurture debate". |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kthought
Synths and DAW's are tools, Are you saying using a ratchet or a crescent wrench for construction is oblique intented because somebody else created the tool? |
No. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
no amount of `not listening` will correct bad taste. The more knowledge , the more power. |
Yupppppp. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Isn't "taste" simply determined by how common your sound is, And the general public's view of that sound? |
No it can refer to a technical aspect as well. In fact just about anything can be referred to as "taste". Taste is a fancy word for opinion. |
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| justjabbin |
| you have to imitate before you can innovate:D |
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| zodiac9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
I personally havn't fully listened to a DJ mix from somebody else other than my own in the past year. It's not that I think I'm the best or anything, but in the past I found mixes I listened to rubbing off into my sets (playing the same tracks) and I didn't like it. Now that I completely ignore the "big names" I enjoy DJing much more and take a lot more pride in my mixes because I picked out the tunes myself and didn't rely on the latest track listing from "insert flavor of the month here"
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I think you got the right idea with your DJing. I'm doing that with producing these days, I don't listen to any EDM at all. OK, that's taking if way further than can be expected. It's mostly because I'm totally burned out on listening to EDM.
I haven't watched one producer video. Instructional videos bore me, I just don't have time for that. Would it hurt me to watch one? Probably not, I tend to do my own thing, regardless. I can it see it holding some producers back, if all they do is mimic other producers techniques. If you want to innovate, or develop your own sound, you need to eventually get away from other influences. Tinker and experiment on your own. You'll learn and grow more that way. |
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| Floorfiller |
i kind of hinting at something similar not too long ago.
i think people could do with more distancing personally. not because it's bad to listen to others, but because people end up trying to copy things that they hear. i think especially in the beginning the reason there is so much great music is that producers made music from their soul. they had ideas that they wanted to translate into sound and they did it. that's why they have tons of aliases with different genres etc, they didn't want any limits and explored them. i don't think enough people do that anymore and if they do they end up thinking "boy this is really crappy, look at these tracks i like, mine don't measure up". well that's not really they case you just have to let the music come out of you and stop comparing your work to others. chances are someone out there is going to enjoy it, you just have to find that audience.
i think it's great to listen to music and appreciate artists that do take a creative approach to their work, but if you are a producer, you should listen to work for inspiration and then go and do whatever you feel, not what you think people want to hear or what you think will sell. just make what's in your heart and be yourself. approach your music with your thoughts and ideas. what inspires you? a picture? a book? a concept? put it into music. that's what the beginning was about. what is space like? what would living underwater be like? how can i explain that acid trip i had? what is it like sitting outside on a sunny day? it's endless. put it into the universal language, music. |
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