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Why Obama is a typical left wing social engineer - Soda pop tax??? (pg. 2)
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
At the most means its a stretch to go that far. Who am i to decide how far it should go? I have a better question. Who is the government to decide how we should run our own lives? My premise is simple. If something you do only harms yourself its no one else's business. And spare me the "cost and effect on society" routine because this can be argued against just about anything we do.
The war on drugs is a failure no doubt. But this type of policy is inherently different from the micro engineering that this pop tax represents. I dont agree with either policy. In fact one could argue that the war on drugs led to the idea that a war on sugar drinks is also acceptable. And if thats acceptable, whats the next target?
PS: Both the left and the right in the US has wholeheartedly supported the war on drugs with the exception of some libertarian groups. |
but by saying 'education is as far as it should go' that is an indication that you have passed judgement on just 'how far' the g'ment should step in.
I used the 'war on drugs' analogy not because it was a polarizing issue, but simply because the war on drugs works under the premise that by 'educating' the population means people will make the choice that the g'ment has invested interest in them making. But what they're doing is not education, it's a propaganda campaign. Poll the people outside of a website like this vs the people who on it are about their views on drugs, and I'll guarantee you'll find opposing opinions. But that being said, are the people on this website more likely to be the ups, the general scourge on society that the g'ment drug 'education' would have you believe? Hardly.
Furthermore, our government is comprised of elected officials. Surprise! By doing that, we entrust them to make some of the choices for us. Some of them being tax laws, some of those even to support the infrastructure we as citizens of this great nation all share. I would argue they have far more right to make a choice like this than you do, with your cheap $0.02 on the fact you believe they can only go as far as education.
My point is, education by the government will still either be too much or too little, depending on your point of view, and how much government interference is tolerable. Government by it's very nature is an institution of interference in our lives, we submit to their authority to enjoy the benefits of cooperation among people, so that we can live in relatively comfortable and safe communities, to enjoy health care, running water and roads for our cars. To get these things we give up some of our freedoms. If you don't like it, vote for anarchists next election, or worse, the Conservative Party of Canada. |
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| Jayx1 |
Government by nature is an interference in our lives? With that attitude we will be communist in no time!
The war on drugs is not just education but heavy handed laws to go with it.
As i said, education is about as far as anyone should go government or otherwise and you completely missed my point that you should have control over your own behaviour when it only adversely affects yourself. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Government by it's very nature is an institution of interference in our lives |
Spoken like a genuine bona-fade authoritarian commie pinko Canadian. Constitutional government is based on the premise of limiting government interference, and assumes that the primary role of government is to prevent interference by other people or governments.
But the philosophical issue is really a moot point here. How many times does the Left need to be shown that taxation is ineffective as a means of social control before they realize that taxation is ineffective as a means of social control? |
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| Jayx1 |
Digi,
id say its about more than social control. Its their way of grabbing more cash an more power and subverting democracy in the process. Safety, environment and health are byproducts of all the taxes, bylaws and regulations passed IMO.
Parking, Speed Limits, you name it.... just some local examples |
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| 7-4-7 |
| I'd love to add a sin tax to your incessant political insights. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
I'd love to add a sin tax to your incessant political insights. |
im sure you would... socialists hate free speech unless they agree with it. |
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| Abercrombie |
| The governement, either ours or theirs, should tax bottled water, IMO. Bottled water is the worst of all drinks to the environment, and a rediculous idiotic waste of money. This overshaddows any harm pop does. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
The governement, either ours or theirs, should tax bottled water, IMO. Bottled water is the worst of all drinks to the environment, and a rediculous idiotic waste of money. This overshaddows any harm pop does. |
Just dont buy it if u dont like it!
Personally i think flouride, chlorine, and lead in our drinking water is far worse |
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| Abercrombie |
| You can't argue with fluoride... I does way more good than harm. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
You can't argue with fluoride... I does way more good than harm. |
it causes cancer |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
it causes cancer |
The World Health Organisation in 2005 reiterated its support for water fluoridation stating that at recommended levels it is a highly effective strategy to control dental caries in both children and adults, and is safe for the environment and human health in general
The causes of primary bone cancer are not known and epidemiological studies show no clear association between fluoride in drinking water and osteosarcoma.
don't go there
You fukk with fluoride, you fukk with my dad, a world renowned epidemiologist. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
The World Health Organisation in 2005 reiterated its support for water fluoridation stating that at recommended levels it is a highly effective strategy to control dental caries in both children and adults, and is safe for the environment and human health in general
The causes of primary bone cancer are not known and epidemiological studies show no clear association between fluoride in drinking water and osteosarcoma.
don't go there
You fukk with fluoride, you fukk with my dad, a world renowned epidemiologist. |
WHO.. they are also the same characters behind SARS, Bird Flu and Swine Flu.
Regardless of who backs what i choose not to drink fluoride and chlorine in my water just as some choose not to buy bottled water. We all have our own reasons for doing things. |
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