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Hermaphrodite in the house? (pg. 3)
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| owien |
| i think it must be seen as a mans body competing in a womens race |
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| astroboy |
In that article one of the adopted principles is that a transgender athlete must have had gender reassignment surgery 2 years before competing and must undergo hormone treatment to counteract any advantage they might have over other atheletes.
Semenya had two testicles in her body pumping her with a level of testosterone that other competitors could not match. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
thats bull seriously
like the turkish midget who could deadlift so much.
I'm sure usain bolt doesnt have the highest testosterone out of all the male runners. So what she was born that way, no need to ostracize her. Its her genetic advantage and she choses that sex and has lived her life at that sex.
In soccer they never use video judgement even when the calls are obvious. If she is not using preformance enhancing drugs so be it. Let her compete as a woman. |
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| astroboy |
But I think the competition is gender divided because of that very difference though.. it's not a social distinction. It is specifically because our testicles allow us to achieve muscle growth that would prevent any woman from winning in a sporting event that relies on muscular exertion. It's segregation based purely on biological differences.
If a woman on the team artificially injected herself with 3 times the testosterone that a woman naturally produces, she would be rightly banned for cheating - that is giving herself an unfair advantage over other women. In this case Semenya was an unfortunate victim - she had no intention of cheating, but the fact remains that her advantage was just as unfair as that of the woman who artificially injects herself with testosterone.
I do feel sorry for her, but they have to draw the line somewhere... either that or give up the gender discrimination altogether and allow women to compete in the same events as men (good luck to them trying to win any athletics medals).
edit: having said that though.. Apparently a man would normally have 50 times more testosterone than a woman so perhaps there is scope for argument. Though I reckon if they allowed this then the whole Chinese women's side would be all hermaphrodites in a few years lol. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
she is not much bigger then the other women. Heck there are alot of women that are bigger then her. Basically the tests were done (if i am understanding correctly) because she looked somewhat like a man. Feature wise.. not so much size.
Testes are homologous to ovaries and its not til later on in a males life that the testes drop. So essentially she has lived her life as a woman.
All men have different levels of testosterone. albeit 3 times may be excessive, its not the only factor thats going to determine whether a race is won. Should lance armstrong be disqualified because his VO2 max is siginificantly higher then most bikers? no since it is natural.
This woman is clearly identified as a woman. Perhaps her testes should be removed but it is part of her identity. A full fledged male having a sex change and hormonal treatment in order to compete in a womens league has a higher advantage then this intersexed (woman). This is since his genetics are coding and geared towards male traits.
I dunno i understand the whole issue with the 3 times more testosterone, but to be disqualified because of a birth defect is a play on eugenics. next thing you know blacks will have their own division. When was the last time a white man won 100 meter dash? lol.
i hope you see my point. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
she is not much bigger then the other women. Heck there are alot of women that are bigger then her. Basically the tests were done (if i am understanding correctly) because she looked somewhat like a man. Feature wise.. not so much size.
Testes are homologous to ovaries and its not til later on in a males life that the testes drop. So essentially she has lived her life as a woman.
All men have different levels of testosterone. albeit 3 times may be excessive, its not the only factor thats going to determine whether a race is won. Should lance armstrong be disqualified because his VO2 max is siginificantly higher then most bikers? no since it is natural.
This woman is clearly identified as a woman. Perhaps her testes should be removed but it is part of her identity. A full fledged male having a sex change and hormonal treatment in order to compete in a womens league has a higher advantage then this intersexed (woman). This is since his genetics are coding and geared towards male traits.
I dunno i understand the whole issue with the 3 times more testosterone, but to be disqualified because of a birth defect is a play on eugenics. next thing you know blacks will have their own division. When was the last time a white man won 100 meter dash? lol.
i hope you see my point. |
Yeah I totally see your point. Also she should have them removed because in cases like hers there's a very high chance that the internal testes become cancerous.
... also I still like the idea of a Chinese "ladies" olympic team that are all hermaphrodites :P. You can imagine them marching in at the opening ceremony with stubble and groin bulges wearing short skirts and make up lol |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
Yeah I totally see your point. Also she should have them removed because in cases like hers there's a very high chance that the internal testes become cancerous.
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yeah perhaps. I personally don't really think it will hinder her performance much.
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... also I still like the idea of a Chinese "ladies" olympic team that are all hermaphrodites :P. You can imagine them marching in at the opening ceremony with stubble and groin bulges wearing short skirts and make up lol |
haha i think it would be easier to give a couple of males sex reassignment surgery. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
haha i think it would be easier to give a couple of males sex reassignment surgery. |
Yeah I wouldn't put it below them to have a quiet word to men that don't quite make the men's squad "the testes come off or your family dies".. there's a strong history of eunuchs in China :P |
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| KilldaDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Semen...Ya!!
/nuff said |
ya. true story. |
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| Darkarbiter |
| So it mentioned the female to male one's could father children. I wonder... if because of the blood spilling into their bladder that means they have a working uteras. Could they have an operation to get them pregnant (and then another one) to get the baby out again? |
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