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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
What you said previously, makes what you just said hard to believe?
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Ok. Thats your choice.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Whats a good label?
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That's purely a matter of opinion, I guess. Maybe you can provide us with an example of what you consider a good label. I've never been screwed over by my label, or had royalties taken away from me, or had music stolen and released under by nose in 10 years. That's more than I can say for a lot of labels.
I don't make profit because I spend thousands of dollars per year on software and (lately) hardware. My record sales are not even close to making a dent in that.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
One that says "thank you" after you send them masters?
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Not really, but if you want to think of it that way, then OK.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Or is your high ideals in "i don't expect to make any money now"
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I don't quite consider those "high ideals", maybe you can explain why you would?
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Did I miss anything here?
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Can't really make that assessment, because I don't know you.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
My hints stand for anyone who wants to get ahead, and have some sort standard and ideal to reach for themselves instead "i dont expect to do anything for music".
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Those may well be valid points for someone looking to "get ahead". I am not one of those people. I've been in this scene long enough to have figured out what it takes to "get ahead" as you put it, and I'm not interested in doing that. Making music is not a full time job for me, nor would I ever want it to be. I expect to get out of music what I put into it, nothing more, nothing less.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
You can enjoy not eating all day, but I cant commend you, maybe a bird will. |
I eat just fine from my day job.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
< tired of the fake selfless "i dont care about sales" mentality some have, yet try to release music for sale. Or dont have releasable music in the first place. I dont know who you think that flies with, because its really ridiculous. If you guys genuinely selfless and believe in music as charity, there are Metlabels to release through... |
Why is that so hard to believe? Not everyone is trying to turn this into a career. Maybe you are, but that doesn't mean your goals are the same as everyone else. |
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| Kismet7 |
Ok, well its still annoying when people wag the "i dont expect to sell anything" tail around. I dont make music as a living either, I dont plan to make much from sales alone, the only way to make money off EDM is to employ what I call 'snowball effect'. I actually went back to school to get my edumacation. Hopefully, transferring to UCLA's competetive Business Economics Program in Fall 2010, or the very least to CSUN's Finance. Even with that en route and music being purely a side thing for me as well, it is still annoying to hear low expectation defeatist attitudes. And if your aint selling, why not start your own label after a while and own your music?
If you dont have sales expectations, or even if you do have sales expectations (as you should), make sure your signing music with full ownership in your hands from the start or in due time, and the label just sharing some profits through distribution. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Ok, well its still annoying when people wag the "i dont expect to sell anything" tail around. I dont make music as a living either, I dont plan to make much from sales alone, the only way to make money off EDM is to employ what I call 'snowball effect'. I actually went back to school to get my edumacation. Hopefully, transferring to UCLA's competetive Business Economics Program in Fall 2010, or the very least to CSUN's Finance.
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That's cool man. I hope it works out for you. I'm too old to be trying to make a career out of this. I got mortgages, and a wife and kids on the way and stuff. I need financial stability at this point in my life. Besides, I need some way to pay for my gear addiction.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Even with that en route and music being a side thing for me as well, it is still annoying to hear low expectation defeatist attitudes. |
I don't really consider myself to have low expectations at all, I'm just not interested in a big time music career. Maybe that might seem to be "low expectations" or "defeatist" to some, maybe that is hard to understand for others, but I guess that just depends how you look at it. I think that having a "defeatist attitude" is more a characteristic of someone who has had lofty expectations and given up or become discouraged. That is not me. I never had ANY expectations of this music. It didn't owe me a damn thing, and if I wanted to make a career out of it, that was entirely predicated on the amount of work I was willing to put in. I just decided that making music would be more fun as a semi-serious hobby rather than as a job.
I'm just happy to have an outlet for my creativity.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
If you dont have sales expectations, then make sure your signing music with full ownership in your hands, and the label just sharing some profits through distribution. |
Honestly, no one individual track is that important to me. I put them together, send them out, and forget about them. With the turn around time these days, I've usually moved on by the time the track gets out on the market. All that matters is that each track is better than the last. |
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| Kismet7 |
I don't know man, I can't relate with that at the moment, even though I got something else burning as well, i'm still hungry to get music out there and be heard. And if my hardwork pays off i'll have a lil snowball effect goin, which i've patented on TA, and thinking I should mention in my Business Economics application prompt essay. ; )
I mean there is nothing wrong with success if you work at it and earn it. But I do understand your in a totally different situation than me, and i'm not trying to be mean or anything, what I say, even if it hard/harsh is often to help in a way. But obviously your in a different mindset and situation all around, that ideals are what they are for reasons, due to a different time, space, beliefs...no worries. |
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| RichieV |
| too many producers sell to such a small group of consumers. Selling to djs is like selling plus size clothing in Japan. It is easier than it ever has been to make money in music. The music industry is bigger than it ever has been, the money is just in different places. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
I don't know man, I can't relate with that at the moment, even though I got something else burning as well, i'm still hungry to get music out there and be heard. And if my hardwork pays off i'll have a lil snowball effect goin, which i've patented on TA, and thinking I should mention in my Business Economics application prompt essay. ; )
I mean there is nothing wrong with success if you work at it and earn it. But I do understand your in a totally different situation than me, and i'm not trying to be mean or anything, what I say, even if it hard/harsh is often to help in a way. But obviously your in a different mindset and situation all around, that ideals are what they are for reasons, due to a different time, space, beliefs...no worries. |
For somebody with such a strong opinion on the economics of dance music, I sure would love to hear some of your music. I'm going to guess you have little to no experience or music to back up your strong opinion here, and can only warn you that your opinion will change dramatically one day when you get slapped in the face with reality. I was young, dumb, and full of cum trotting through college thinking I knew how the real world existed. Boy did I get a wake up call, and it is painfully obvious you will too. |
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| Kid_presentable |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
For somebody with such a strong opinion on the economics of dance music, I sure would love to hear some of your music. I'm going to guess you have little to no experience or music to back up your strong opinion here, and can only warn you that your opinion will change dramatically one day when you get slapped in the face with reality. I was young, dumb, and full of cum trotting through college thinking I knew how the real world existed. Boy did I get a wake up call, and it is painfully obvious you will too. |
well said. |
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| Tom Smykowski |
| There is virtually no money in producing EDM, unless you are signed to one of the major TOP100 labels. But even though you might not make any money on the releases themselves, they do wonder in promoting your artist name, thus giving you gigs for livesets or dj'ing. that's where the money is! |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
For somebody with such a strong opinion on the economics of dance music, I sure would love to hear some of your music. I'm going to guess you have little to no experience or music to back up your strong opinion here , and can only warn you that your opinion will change dramatically one day when you get slapped in the face with reality. I was young, dumb, and full of cum trotting through college thinking I knew how the real world existed. Boy did I get a wake up call, and it is painfully obvious you will too. |
Yah?
well the latest Snowball Effect finding...
http://www.ibizasoulstice.com/index-2.html
Got sent email about this from Rebirth. My release 'Deeply Rooted' was picked #1 on Joan Ribas top 20 tracks for October. A 16 Year Resident of Pacha Ibiza. So he has played a bit of music for quite a few people in his lifetime.
Also this year, Senor Ribas was given lifetime achievement award in DJMag for his contributions to Ibiza's music culture. Essentially, he has been through quite a bit of music, and played for countless people, its great to get high charted support from someone coming from that level of experience.
http://www.supraton.eu/joan_ribas.html
In your unique case DJ Stephen Wiley, getting slapped in the face by reality and failure is understandable. Why? Success is to be earned over time through intelligence, talent, and hard work(a free basic economics lesson) |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
I don't know man, I can't relate with that at the moment, even though I got something else burning as well, i'm still hungry to get music out there and be heard. And if my hardwork pays off i'll have a lil snowball effect goin, which i've patented on TA, and thinking I should mention in my Business Economics application prompt essay. ; )
I mean there is nothing wrong with success if you work at it and earn it. But I do understand your in a totally different situation than me, and i'm not trying to be mean or anything, what I say, even if it hard/harsh is often to help in a way. But obviously your in a different mindset and situation all around, that ideals are what they are for reasons, due to a different time, space, beliefs...no worries. |
yes, but you do it disrespectfully and rudely...
trying to help :rolleyes:
most arrogant bull ever.
you clearly didn't even understand the point of what Eric was saying, you interpreted it incorectly, which is even more hilarious since you clearly think you have any clue about business...
he wasn't saying he doesn't want to make money off his music (as you seem to think, saying people shouldn't release music if they're not going to make money), he was saying it's unrealistic to expect to make money from SALES.
ask anyone who has existed in this scene for more than a year and they will tell you the same.
to re-state what eric said, and has been said many times before, in edm you release tunes to open other avenues of income. releasing tunes isn't an end in itself when it comes to financial success. feel free to put that on your economics paper :stongue:
if you consider the above post serious celebrity: consider that the top of the edm game then no worries... it's pretty sad that you're really this arrogant though, with one release that one dj who i've never heard of likes...
EDIT: LOL here's a link to the song 'deep-rooted'
i'm just going to give you the same honesty you gave to eric and the rest of us here mate... and hopefully you'll realise i'm being nice, and all that :p
the tune sounds kind of like a deaf child made it... but with less rhythm...
https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html...45&a486-index=2 |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
yes, but you do it disrespectfully and rudely...
trying to help :rolleyes:
most arrogant bull ever.
you clearly didn't even understand the point of what Eric was saying, you interpreted it incorectly, which is even more hilarious since you clearly think you have any clue about business...
he wasn't saying he doesn't want to make money off his music (as you seem to think, saying people shouldn't release music if they're not going to make money), he was saying it's unrealistic to expect to make money from SALES.
ask anyone who has existed in this scene for more than a year and they will tell you the same.
to re-state what eric said, and has been said many times before, in edm you release tunes to open other avenues of income. releasing tunes isn't an end in itself when it comes to financial succe
ss. feel free to put that on your economics paper :stongue: |
This reminds of those clips where a kid is trying to punch an adult, when the adult has their hand on the kids forhead, swinging aimlessly. I interpreted Eric's points quite clearly, what makes you say I did not? O yah thats right, i'm likely talking to another reading comprehension fail.
I think you are the one that cant read or comprehend, and you laughed at the reality based facts I shared in reply to Eric's post. So who is the arrogant one? You lol. And for you to think a reality, logic, and truth is rude, disprespectful, or arrogance, that is your fault and shortcomming not mine.
ps: those 3 hints I mentioned earlier are indeed helpful to anyone who follows them, but alas you are tooooo arrogant, and had to laugh at helpful hints. how rudeee lol.
nevertheless, though your sword rests alone in the field, a valiant effort. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
EDIT: LOL here's a link to the song 'deep-rooted'
i'm just going to give you the same honesty you gave to eric and the rest of us here mate... and hopefully you'll realise i'm being nice, and all that :p
the tune sounds kind of like a deaf child made it... but with less rhythm...
https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html...45&a486-index=2 |
Lets see, you are objectively disrespectful, arrogant, rude. 'Deeply Rooted' sounds A deaf child made it? Good job, classless troll. And for the record, if I am ever disrespectful to someone, it would be to a blatant s like you. I'm nice to good people, not to trolls, as this thread proves =).
ps: since you FAILed, your boss should fiyaaah your lame ass. I'd blame your reading comprehension skills being at D level on your failure here.
O and fix the Beatport link if your going to troll, where is your example? Jeez where do they find incompetent jerks like you? Cant comprehend what people say, cant communicate properly, and cant link music he is trolling with his little emotional diatribe.
lol @ no rhythm in 'Deeply Rooted.' Do you know what Rhythm is? Can you explain it? |
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