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Panning - I'm having trouble
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| Richard Butler |
Guy's I'm wondering about panning.
I want the step through spacious mix, but lately I seem to have lost the plot on this. I'm talking here about the mixing stage, nothing about mastering or brick wall limiting.
Starting with the pads, they don't sound spacious yet here's what I've done;
Roland X7
Using 8 waveforms slightly detuned from one another.
Roughly 1/2 of those quite hard left, and the other 1/2 right.
Gentle phaser applied.
Quite a long verb and fairly heavy very - but of course with some rolling off of verb fequencies at the low and high ends
Now before someone says use less verb - the reason I've applied quite a lot is that I notice in many of my fave professional tracks the verb on the pads is heavy.
SPECTRUM ENHANCER - I', applying some stereo enhacement to the pads to, and automating the wideness setting gentle thru the track.
The pads have gentle compression just to keep them in check.
Am I missing something key here?
EDIT - Hey I just thought of something;
I habitualy do a senmd to main monitors of ALL SIDE CHAINED SOUNDS, that is to say - I send some of the original non side chained sound on a send to main konitors, but thinking about it now, those sends dont have a pan setting - could this be muddying the mix? |
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| SoundMagus |
Yo,
If you have roughly a 50/50 split with the osc`s why would you then further increase the wideness with the stereo enhancement? Just a thought.
Your idea maybe correct, the sending of the dry sound could be causing some kind of phase cancellation, you could try compressing the hell out of the original source then mix that in unpanned, ie centre setttings and see what happens there.
Sounds messy to me, good luck dood :)
Mark |
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| evo8 |
if u posted a sample we could help you more, but from the settings u described, that pad is gonna take up a awful lot of space in the mix
i wouldnt bother with the seperate stereo enhancement, shouldnt need it
Also what you say about ur send tracks doesnt really make sense, what exactly are on those send tracks? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Roland X7
Using 8 waveforms slightly detuned from one another.
Roughly 1/2 of those quite hard left, and the other 1/2 right.
Gentle phaser applied.
Quite a long verb and fairly heavy very - but of course with some rolling off of verb fequencies at the low and high ends
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Check that in mono, I'll bet its almost disappearing with phase issues. You may want to pan a lot less. I personally never pan more than 20% or so either way, unless I'm doing some crazy double or triple tracking stuff.
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Now before someone says use less verb - the reason I've applied quite a lot is that I notice in many of my fave professional tracks the verb on the pads is heavy.
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Yes, but in many cases, the verb is also gated to remove some of the tail. Verb tails can muddy up a mix in no time. The type of verb is also very important here.
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
SPECTRUM ENHANCER - I', applying some stereo enhacement to the pads to, and automating the wideness setting gentle thru the track.
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This will likely make phasing even worse.
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I habitualy do a senmd to main monitors of ALL SIDE CHAINED SOUNDS, that is to say - I send some of the original non side chained sound on a send to main konitors, but thinking about it now, those sends dont have a pan setting - could this be muddying the mix? |
I'm with evo8, don't really understand what you are saying here. Also, this is all very theoretical without a sample. |
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| flutlicht junky |
I think I know what you mean, I quick example for me would be in the Adam Van Bakers latest soundset mp3 demo The Thread is Here , it has a really wide sound to it and I would love to know how its done.
My experiments have been with running synths or pads to a reverb with an EQ removing freq right up to 5k so you just get this very soft high wash and then a widen this |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Check that in mono, |
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| djlogik |
Use a phase analyzer to see whats happening to the mix. Like everyone else is saying, it's probably heavily phasing and you're losing a lot of the sound thanks to cancellation.
Checking it in mono will do the trick as well. I believe Voxengo has a free plugin that'll do that for you. |
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