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Skill vs Talent (pg. 8)
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
i dont ing know what the hell their talking down there and i dont care. they oviously cant communicate at all. |
Neither can you. What's your point? |
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| SDM |
| my point is im going to a hockey match now. bye. |
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| Fledz |
| You've ruined my thread :( |
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| Microlab |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
It doesn't mean everything as there are many variables but it certainly is a large part of being succesful in any industry and no I'm not going to post examples because music is subjective and what I consider a great musician may not necessarily be a great musician to you.
Who the is bubbletoe? |
How dare you not recognize Anjuna family?:D |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
my point is im going to a hockey match now. bye. |
You gonna go speak Canadian to your mates? |
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| DigiNut |
Yay, another thread where people reject decades or even centuries of scientific and domain knowledge in favour of various forms of wishful thinking and other fallacies, proving conclusively once again that opinions are like s (everybody has one).
This one's a real gem:
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
Some of my favorits like Underworld, Prodigy, Moby, Daft Punk, where all pretty old when successing. Marco V was pretty old when getting world-wide popular. SVD was pretty young and he lastet 1,5 years. |
Do you believe that all of these producers became successful the next day after they took up music? Lol, almost all of these people were intensely wrapped up in music from their mid-teens at the latest. They had to work for years and years to get where they are.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
It doesn't mean everything as there are many variables but it certainly is a large part of being succesful in any industry and no I'm not going to post examples because music is subjective and what I consider a great musician may not necessarily be a great musician to you. |
There's a critical difference between "skilled/talented" and "successful." It may very well be possible to quickly become successful in some particular field through hard work alone, but that doesn't mean you have anywhere near the same level of expertise as the masters, who have been doing it since they were in diapers.
Even the "no genetic advantage" hypothesis in the OP is a canard. You'd have to deny the effectiveness of IQ and aptitude tests on children, calling into question several generations of mainstream psychology and cognitive science. You folks can choose to believe whatever you want, it's a free country, but the scientific fact is that some people DO have a higher learning aptitude than others. To truly be "great" and not just "good", you have to be one of these people, AND start at an early age, AND work your ass off for most of your childhood and early adult years.
You can still produce some very good and commercially-successful tunes if you started 2 years ago, but if you think they're going to sound anything like BT, even after 10 years, you're insane. |
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| SDM |
| BT sucks. he need to learn that 90% of the time less is more. Fibonacci Sequence is the exception but im guessing he was high or something when making it caus he never made anything like it before or after, not even close. |
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| Kismet7 |
Agree with much of what was said by the person who wrote that blog in the OP.
But I would not worry if you did not start at 8 or 12 years old, just keep developing your musical and technical aspects to your craft. The Producers who are most successful these days, are not much of musical geniuses, they are more technical geniuses, and have been able to manipulate their equipment. Or they had a talented engineer that made some really great sounding music with them. Go ahead study accross the board, you will see the best EDM music is actually the most well mixed music, but the musical content itself could be of a wide range of quality, but when it comes to the mix, there are no exceptions.
Started doing something musical an early age (12). I think that having a passion to do something musical at an early age asked me to listen to music in a different way than I normally would have as just a listener. So when I would hear a melody or arrangement or different instruments playing, besides enjoying what I chose to listen to, i'd also always listen deconstructively. So from 12 till 20s, I'd break down the parts to a track, and also create in my head where I speculated the track to go next, or where I want to hear the piece of music go.
I could memorize in detail the musical parts and arrangements. This was most enjoyable with songs with interesting arrangements and that had a lot of instruments sharing space. I would constantly create the next few bars in my head as the song progressed. After getting into production, this natural processing of music I listen to went to the next level, to the point that it kinda takes away from music I hear, because i'm always listening with deconstructive and critical ears. I enjoy music still, but for different reasons than I did before I started producing my own.
Starting something musical and playing in a live situation at an early age has helped me, but i'm not sure if it is essential towards becoming great someday... |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Agree with much of what was said by the person who wrote that blog in the OP.
But I would not worry if you did not start at 8 or 12 years old, just keep developing your musical and technical aspects to your craft. The Producers who are most successful these days, are not much of musical geniuses, they are more technical geniuses, and have been able to manipulate their equipment. Or they had a talented engineer that made some really great sounding music with them. Go ahead study accross the board, you will see the best EDM music is actually the most well mixed music, but the musical content itself could be of a wide range of quality, but when it comes to the mix, there are no exceptions.
Started doing something musical an early age (12). I think that having a passion to do something musical at an early age asked me to listen to music in a different way than I normally would have as just a listener. So when I would hear a melody or arrangement or different instruments playing, besides enjoying what I chose to listen to, i'd also always listen deconstructively. So from 12 till 20s, I'd break down the parts to a track, and also create in my head where I speculated the track to go next, or where I want to hear the piece of music go.
I could memorize in detail the musical parts and arrangements. This was most enjoyable with songs with interesting arrangements and that had a lot of instruments sharing space. I would constantly create the next few bars in my head as the song progressed. After getting into production, this natural processing of music I listen to went to the next level, to the point that it kinda takes away from music I hear, because i'm always listening with deconstructive and critical ears. I enjoy music still, but for different reasons than I did before I started producing my own.
Starting something musical and playing in a live situation at an early age has helped me, but i'm not sure if it is essential towards becoming great someday... |
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| SDM |
| lets not stop this thread, its so awesome. heres a new angle: theres no such thing as talent, no one is born musical geniuses. great musicians are only that because they have been widely/largely exposed to great music and at the same time have the interest in it enough to analyze it and understand it, and then learn the tools needed to create something themselves. peoples ears are mostly the same so we have all the same possibilities from birth to be great musicians. from there its all about interest and being curious. I know people that are musically retarded and i totally see why when i visit them. they dont even have a stereo, and their CDs are a couple of "Absolute Music" compilations they got from their aunt in a birthday 10 years ago. Then I know people that have good taste in music but dont know about how music is made etc. And i find out that his father was a dj in the 70-80s. Conclussion, theres no such thing as talent, but theres experienced listeners. And skillz is just plain practise combined with interest and understanding. Let the flames begin. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
I know people that are musically retarded and i totally see why when i visit them. they dont even have a stereo, and their CDs are a couple of "Absolute Music" compilations they got from their aunt in a birthday 10 years ago. |
Ever think that they have no music because they are "musically retarded" and find it hard to understand? There is such a thing as tone-deafness, you know. |
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