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How to control bass EQ's when mixing in a second track?
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| Dance123 |
Sorry for the newbie question.. but can anybody explain how to control the bass EQ knobs on both channels when mixing in the second track. You obviously need to cut bass on the track you bring in ontherwise it will clash with the bass frequencies on the track playing, but I would love to see how exactly this should be done properly.
Does anybody perhaps know of a good video at Youtube which explains this very well.. i have looked myself and there are many videos but none show well what I want to know. Or if there isn't a really good one somebody here could perhaps upload a tutorial on youtube explaing this?
Thanks for all help! |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dance123
Sorry for the newbie question.. but can anybody explain how to control the bass EQ knobs on both channels when mixing in the second track. You obviously need to cut bass on the track you bring in ontherwise it will clash with the bass frequencies on the track playing, but I would love to see how exactly this should be done properly.
Does anybody perhaps know of a good video at Youtube which explains this very well.. i have looked myself and there are many videos but none show well what I want to know. Or if there isn't a really good one somebody here could perhaps upload a tutorial on youtube explaing this?
Thanks for all help! |
I don't get your question.
There's no perfect way to do anything in the world of DJ'ing and if I understand you correctly there's certainly no set way of working your EQ.
When you break it down this is what is typically done:
1) Use the volume faders on each channel to fade one track in, and another track out in a smooth fashion.
2) Use the EQ knobs on each channel to fade parts of one track in, and parts of another track out in a smooth fashion.
So what sounds good to you? Experiment with that mix five different ways and see what happens. Perhaps the tracks you are mixing are too clashy and should be avoided a your current skill level. |
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| Jarvmeister |
Yes, you're essentially asking how to mix. It really depends on the tracks you're working with.
And I know this is not what you want to hear but the only way you'll leran is through many hours of practise, trial and error.
It's not just bass EQ you need to worry about, it's also the treble too. I largely don't touch the mids, unless I'm lowering or raising the volume of a prominent element in that range. |
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| knowhope |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dance123
Sorry for the newbie question.. but can anybody explain how to control the bass EQ knobs on both channels when mixing in the second track. You obviously need to cut bass on the track you bring in ontherwise it will clash with the bass frequencies on the track playing, but I would love to see how exactly this should be done properly.
Does anybody perhaps know of a good video at Youtube which explains this very well.. i have looked myself and there are many videos but none show well what I want to know. Or if there isn't a really good one somebody here could perhaps upload a tutorial on youtube explaing this?
Thanks for all help! |
Err, you're basically asking how to cheat mixing?
Obviously if you are on channel 1 and transitionning to channel 2 killing the LOWs on 2 that would most likely mean you don't know how to mix.
Get used to mixing and not cheating your way through. |
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| Dance123 |
I don't know what you mean with "cheating".. but if you're spinning epic trance (think Armin).. when the first track is playing and you bring in the second track won't you have the bass EQ cut on the second so the bassdrum of track 2 doesn't clash with the bassdrum of track 1 when mixing in and then at some point you will raise the bass eq on track 2 when crossfading but it's for that i need some good guidelines on how to do.
Are there any vids out there that give a good example of how to mix trance or house tracks cause that's what i am playing.
Sorry that i forgot to mention the style i am doing cause if you don't mix music with punchy 4/4 bassdrums then i can understand why my question is confusing but hopefully now you know what i mean.
Thanks for all help!! |
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| knowhope |
Ahh i understand. You're thinking that both channels Low freq will clash and make an undanceble bassline.
For this it's fairly simple. Just play around and play with what sounds good. If you're not convinced, ask some friends for some advice. Still not convinced, post the mix in this forum. |
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| Jarvmeister |
| Just get two tracks beatmatched and spend an hour or so mixing in and out of each other - it's a great way to learn EQing without the distraction of beatmatching each time. |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
Just get two tracks beatmatched and spend an hour or so mixing in and out of each other - it's a great way to learn EQing without the distraction of beatmatching each time. |
I agree with Jarv.
After your last post it sounds to me that you need to master some of the fundamentals of mixing. Your questions will answer themselves the more you practice. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| Learn how to key all of your tracks and it makes things so much easier. |
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| n3lly |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Learn how to key all of your tracks and it makes things so much easier. |
For someone starting off I wouldn't go near keying your tracks.
What Meister Jarv said is definitely a good call.
I used to only have 20 records when i started off. Over and over and over I'd play the same tracks together trying out different things.
It's all down to repetition. While trying things you might not have tried before.
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dance123
but if you're spinning FAIL trance (think Armin).. |
Fixed :D
Seriously, theres no right or wrong way and mixing in a track with the bass cut or killed can be a great way of switching out basslines or changing energy - even swapping between the two bassline patterns each bar etc. |
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| DJSoulstone |
Regarding Trance the theory is fairly simple. The aim is to switch from one bassline to the next as smooth as possible to (in best case) make it almost impossible to hear the switch.
Since the low frequencies of the bass are all in a quite narrow bandwidth you get an amplification of the intensity if you play two basslines parallel: beat 1 + beat 2 = beat 3 with a much stronger/louder bass then either 1 or 2 alone. (constructive interference)
So in order to prevent the rise of the volume at the low frequencies while a transition you need
either: to turn down the low EQ of the incoming, fade in and then turn it up, while parallel turning down the old one
or: turning down the low EQ of the ending track, while fading in the new track.
I mix based on the first method: After beatmatching I turn down the low EQ of the new track. Depending on the track I also need to lower the highs and mids, but usually not more than a quarter turn. When the cue-point arrives I start fading in and (usually) after both tracks play at the same volume I start exchanging the EQs, means turning up the new and down the old ones. Then I fade out the old one. |
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