Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Nope, pretty sure Luciferian-Solipsism is the only valid form of thought. Because I say so.
That's what you th-- oh, wait!
we_R_DNA
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
Whats the problem Lomeli? You've granted that reality is absolute. But you believe our perceptions of it somehow don't count because they are subjective? This may be true to some extent but the fact remains that humans ARE capable of perceiving reality objectively. Doing so simply requires conscious attention and a logical thought process. A scientist in America and a scientist in Japan will both come to the same conclusion in the same experiment provided they interpret the same data correctly. The reality of the experiment is absolute and the data received is an absolute. If their conclusions differ depending on how they interpret the data, this does not change the facts of reality or make the experiment meaningless. If they reach different verdicts, one is necessarily true and one is false. Reality (being the only absolute) is the final arbiter and the correct conclusion can be proven by means of logic.
Sure we can objectively perceive reality, but reality does not depend our own perceptions, or a summation of shared perceptions based on experiments. There for any experiment that has taken place in the past all the way up to today, may change the very second you read this.
In all likely hood such a change does not take place, but the probability of such a change must be taken into account.
Capitalizt
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Originally posted by we_R_DNA
Sure we can objectively perceive reality, but reality does not depend our own perceptions, or a summation of shared perceptions based on experiments. There for any experiment that has taken place in the past all the way up to today, may change the very second you read this.
In all likely hood such a change does not take place, but the probability of such a change must be taken into account.
Can you point to any instances where this "change" has suddenly happened? (The answer is obviously NO.) Given the fact that we have never seen reality morph at random or physical experiments that defy the laws of physics, on what basis do you assume these things COULD happen? What has given you cause to make this assumption? Why should people waste time and mental energy to take into account an incoherent idea for which there is not even the slightest bit of evidence? It is no more plausible than Russel's Teapot , the flying spaghetti monster, or any other unprovable supernatural belief. Why does it deserve any respect?
we_R_DNA
As for a non-dualistic approach to reality;
Psychoanalysis which is the study of the mind has only been understood through a dichotomization of what the mind is.
Are we really going to conclude that such an approach to understanding the mind is the correct one? Surely we cannot or at least I will not.
Our formation of such a dualistic nature is perhaps a pre-condition of our existence it seems.
To ultimately ascend beyond such a pre-condition may be our next step in advancing our race.
After such a step takes place and I know this is just a small step and I have seen/understood this to be capable of sharing with you the human species is this:
Dichotomization of the human species has created racists.
As you the human species advanced into a high abstract reasoning of reality the discovery of DNA came to the forefront.
We as a whole are united on a level that doesn't depend on race, or sex.
This discover is also found as an anagram in the name Andrew. When you spell this backwards we get WE R DNA.
Since We R DNA, the dualistic nature of sexism and racism has no place anymore.
As each sex would both be composed of DNA, along with any race of human beings.
The human species has attained this step towards a non-dualistic nature of understanding reality and their place in the universe.
This is just one stepping stone of understanding how to ultimately ascend beyond a dualistic existence.
we_R_DNA
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
Can you point to any instances where this "change" has suddenly happened? (The answer is obviously NO.) Given the fact that we have never seen reality morph at random or physical experiments that defy the laws of physics, on what basis do you assume these things COULD happen? What has given you cause to make this assumption? Why should people waste time and mental energy to take into account an incoherent idea for which there is not even the slightest bit of evidence? It is no more plausible than Russel's Teapot , the flying spaghetti monster, or any other unprovable supernatural belief. Why does it deserve any respect?
How bout on a scale above quarks and electrons dna? ;) I suppose there is a CHANCE you could walk through walls or teleport 500 miles for no apparent reason. These things are possible on the quantum scale and can be expressed mathematically, but we've never observed such effects in the macro world. You postulated that the results of some past scientific experiment could theoretically "change" after the fact. This has never happened or been observed, even in the quantum world.
we_R_DNA
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
You postulated that the results of some past scientific experiment could theoretically "change" after the fact. This has never happened or been observed, even in the quantum world.
Capitalizt
let me repeat the question..
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Originally posted by we_R_DNA
reality does not depend our own perceptions, or a summation of shared perceptions based on experiments. There for any experiment that has taken place in the past all the way up to today, may change the very second you read this.
Examples? Is there any justification for entertaining this theory? Do we have anything to go on aside from the power of the human mind to imagine such nonsense?
we_R_DNA
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
let me repeat the question..
Examples? Is there any justification for entertaining this theory? Do we have anything to go on aside from the power of the human mind to imagine such nonsense?
Capitalizt
lol I stand corrected.
Domesticated
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Originally posted by Lomeli
Haha, I agree. It does add spice, but it's not life.
All I can say is don't listen to what anyone else says. Just go by your own experience and shape the world however you see fit.
Why are you listening to the stuff you've read in books then?
