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British Drugs chief: Alcohol more dangerous than ecstasy, LSD and cannabis (pg. 3)
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Why does he consider alcohol less dangerous than heroin? Is it because of danger from infected needles or something?
Unlike with alcohol, almost no one dies from heroin withdrawal, or even has serious medical complications, and if there were standardized dosages and purity levels far fewer people would die from overdose. |
heroin will trap you much faster than alcohol, and you won't be able to function without it. Needles are obviously dangerous, and you are injecting powder that might have been cut with something else into your bloodstream, so unless it's very pure. As for medical complications, it makes you loose weight fast, it creates abscess and rashes in your skin after using for just a few months.
standardized dosages? heh...with a Heroin addict? sure...and if the purity level is high, you will overdose faster, not the other way around.
As for Heroin withdrawal, ask anyone who's been through it, im sure that at that time they begged for death during those weeks were they had to get out of the system. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Benzodiazepines are worse, easily. |
aaaand again, no. I've never been in bed a whole day without being to move, nauseous, on the verge of breaking down mentally, sweating cold and unable to perform a daily activity because i did not take a valium for a whole day.
are you speaking out of experience here or just talking out of your ass and reading bull sources? because it seems that way. |
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| Energy_3 |
| quote: | | A Home Office spokesman said: "Prof Nutt's views are his own and do not reflect the views of Government. The Government is clear - we are determined to crack down on all illegal substances and minimize their harm to health and society as a whole. |
yes so much so, not. Contradiction all over the place! In their attempts to reduce it, and by their attempts towards marketing harm minimization.
ah all in moderation |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
sure...and if the purity level is high, you will overdose faster, not the other way around. |
This is false:
| quote: | As in Plano, the availability of high-purity heroin had been blamed for the epidemic. But, according to Dr. Laurence Gruer, addictions coordinator for the Greater Glasgow Health Board, "It is actually rare to find someone has died taking heroin alone — it has almost inevitably been taken as part of a cocktail with [tranquilizers] Temazepam or Valium."
Public officials can generally say any bad thing they want about illegal drugs. And they feel no doubt that labeling deaths as overdoses should scare most young people away from drugs. But this message may not have the desired effect. And its unintended consequences can be deadly. As the Australian National Research Centre made clear: "Both heroin users and service providers need to be disabused of the myth that heroin overdoses are solely, or even mainly, attributable to fluctuations in heroin purity." |
From the link posted above.
I've known people who have ODed on heroin and benzos, people who have been addicted to meth and alcohol, and people who have gone through withdrawal from various drugs. Does that make me an expert on those drugs or the addiction process? No, so I quote people who are experts, and who have encountered more addicts and dealt with more overdoses and withdrawal processes than you or I ever will. :-) |
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| iclone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
If alcohol is fifth BEHIND heroin, then tobacco being AHEAD of lsd would make lsd 10. not 6. , agreeing with brian here |
this is as bad as ID'ing a set :haha: |
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| Sunsnail |
hahaha yea
it's just funny when he says "Your reading comprehension is abysmal." then says well its a poorly written article!
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
No, so I quote people who are experts, and who have encountered more addicts and dealt with more overdoses and withdrawal processes than you or I ever will. :-) |
sorry mate but this couldn't be far from truth, all i've said ive either experienced it on my own, or seen it with my eyes...i've seen a girl almost OD in front of me twice.
If you are doing cocaine for example, the higher the quality believe me, the higher the risk you will OD. If im shooting straight up high quality heroin i am sure it could slow my heart rate...then i'll fall asleep and i won't even feel the OD.
all that research, Dr.s," a friend told me" is a load of crap. Try bingeing every day for a week on Heroin, then get back to me with some real facts from your own experience. If you get back, you will probably ditch TA by the third day:p
oh and PS: of course they haven't found someone dying on heroin alone...at that stage the junkies are usually mixing everything they can find, uppers and downers..because they just don't care anymore...thats why they find them with *insert analgesic or benzo here" and a mixture of whatever. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| You don't become knowledgeable about something simply by using it, though. Ten or even twenty anecdotal experiences with drugs do not constitute a good data set. I will take the word of physicians who specialize in the topic and have known hundreds of addicts and helped them withdrawal over some guy who has known five or ten addicts, used heroin a few times, or seen a couple near-overdoses. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You don't become knowledgeable about something simply by using it, though. Ten or even twenty anecdotal experiences with drugs do not constitute a good data set. I will take the word of physicians who specialize in the topic and have known hundreds of addicts and helped them withdrawal . |
you don't become knowledgeable about something by experiencing it first hand? what kind of flawed logic is that.
| quote: | | some guy who has known five or ten addicts, used heroin a few times, or seen a couple near-overdoses. |
I rather listen to someone who used for over a year on a daily basis and been able to get out of it without the use of "Dr's help" or clinics. Believe me, that person will know more about it that anyone who has not been through the experience. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
you don't become knowledgeable about something by experiencing it first hand? what kind of flawed logic is that. |
You do gain some knowledge, sure, but it is not very generalizable.
Why do you think your personal experiences, or the experiences of one addict you knew, apply to all other addicts? The point of quoting doctors or statistics is to take in a broader set of experiences and data than any one person can possibly have. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You do gain some knowledge, sure, but it is not very generalizable.
Why do you think your personal experiences, or the experiences of one addict you knew, apply to all other addicts? The point of quoting doctors or statistics is to take in a broader set of experiences and data than any one person can possibly have. |
it's true, drugs affect everyone differently..and unlike Drs i don't have junkies coming to my office asking for help or medicine so yes, they do see more cases.
Would i be able to help someone from what i personally know better than a Dr? i am sure i can, but i can't give him that morphine or methadone prescription to help with his withdrawl.
anyways, this is a topic of good debate, and as much as i would like to continue..rather not do it over the internet so..ill just leave it like this. |
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