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Why do some DJ's hate everything but vinyl? (pg. 2)
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| DisposableYouth |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
What is wrong with using a MIDI mixer and a program as long as you you do the beat matching yourself?
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Why do you even have to beatmatch it yourself?
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If beat syncing software had been invented in the 70s, people would think you're mad trying to manually sync 2 tunes now. It's only seen as it is because historically that's how it had to be done.
The fact is, beat syncing software has reduced the value of a DJ, whether they use it or not: more people can 'beatmatch' as a result of it... some press a button, others sync it manually, but to the people on the floor it's the same... so what was special about a DJ who can beatmatch is no longer as special. By fairly basic economics, that reduces the value of a DJ, means you can charge less for gigs, makes it harder to stand out and so on.
Don't get me wrong, there will always be extra praise given to those who do it manually - in the same way that a turntablist beat juggling gets more praise than someone hitting a loop button to create the same effect.
But unless you really feel it adds something to your act, don't feel you have to bow to history and do it manually yourself. Look at other ways you can make your sets special.
Note I'm not saying don't beatmatch manually... I still do it myself, partly because I enjoy it a lot more, but just don't take it for granted that to be a 'real DJ', you have to.
Just my £2.45 |
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| Schadenfreude |
you don't have to do anything, but if you learn how to beatmatch yourself you will improve your timing and by default make yourself a better dj in the long run even if you let a program do it for you.
a lot of kids that never learn to beatmatch also never learn the basics such as beat counting and phrasing, which make for ty mixing even when auto beatmatched imo. |
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| msz |
| "i" dont think its the same; looking at a dj stare at a laptop. i wanna see him sweat, concentrate harder, almost up once maybe. translates more energy to me. but then again, its not about that, its about stupid bitches shaking their asses to some good music. |
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| ChrstnMchl |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
I can't see any benefits for spinning a trance set in vinyl... Scratching sounds like in most trance tunes... carrying around tons of records is inconvenient, and where the can you find modern trance releases in vinyl?
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www.ukdancerecords.com
I think everyone covered your other questions.
I'll just add that vinyl makes a good filter for eliminating e music. You have to really like a track to pay $13 for it and labels aren't going to spend the money to press a track to vinyl unless they think it is actually commercially viable. |
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| msz |
| good point, but not necessarily true. Could be funded by some commercial bull that pulls in a larger amount of money -- not necessarily a great tune. |
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| ChrstnMchl |
| quote: | Originally posted by msz
good point, but not necessarily true. Could be funded by some commercial bull that pulls in a larger amount of money -- not necessarily a great tune. |
Of course! Thats why on the labels side I said "commercially viable" and not quality music.
But the overall point I was trying to make is that any jackleg with more gear (or just a cracked copy of reason) than talent can put a track up on the internet for anyone to download for free. I've definitely heard an Ableton "DJ" play some complete e music that never would have been forced on anybody if it first had to meet the test of being commercially viable.
Of course, there is a lot of music out there for download that bypasses this filter in a positive way as well. Its just so easy to abuse the system (and the listener's ears) these days. |
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| Emvy |
| quote: | Originally posted by djnitride
Why do some DJ's look down on everything but vinyl?
What is wrong with using a MIDI mixer and a program as long as you you do the beat matching yourself?
I can't see any benefits for spinning a trance set in vinyl... Scratching sounds like in most trance tunes... carrying around tons of records is inconvenient, and where the can you find modern trance releases in vinyl?
Why is there such a stigma to using anything but vinyl?
Its one thing to be old school(And if your scratching Im sure its still better), but another to hate everything but what you use. |
people refuse to follow life with new technology.. if software and electronic CDJ's make your job easier, then why not take advantage? even the worlds biggest DJ's go with technology |
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| n3lly |
| quote: | Originally posted by DisposableYouth
Why do you even have to beatmatch it yourself?
[/controversial statement]
If beat syncing software had been invented in the 70s, people would think you're mad trying to manually sync 2 tunes now. It's only seen as it is because historically that's how it had to be done.
The fact is, beat syncing software has reduced the value of a DJ, whether they use it or not: more people can 'beatmatch' as a result of it... some press a button, others sync it manually, but to the people on the floor it's the same... so what was special about a DJ who can beatmatch is no longer as special. By fairly basic economics, that reduces the value of a DJ, means you can charge less for gigs, makes it harder to stand out and so on.
Don't get me wrong, there will always be extra praise given to those who do it manually - in the same way that a turntablist beat juggling gets more praise than someone hitting a loop button to create the same effect.
But unless you really feel it adds something to your act, don't feel you have to bow to history and do it manually yourself. Look at other ways you can make your sets special.
Note I'm not saying don't beatmatch manually... I still do it myself, partly because I enjoy it a lot more, but just don't take it for granted that to be a 'real DJ', you have to.
Just my £2.45 |
Good post.. |
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| DizkokidD |
| what i dont like is those punk kids that bought this equipment and call themselves dj's just because they have the software to "sync" the music. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Emvy
people refuse to follow life with new technology.. if software and electronic CDJ's make your job easier, then why not take advantage? even the worlds biggest DJ's go with technology |
Yeah, what the hell you know? Just pop in a pre-mixed CD and go score some hookers and blow. |
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| Emvy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yeah, what the hell you know? Just pop in a pre-mixed CD and go score some hookers and blow. |
if thats what you like to do, then dont let us stop you! |
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