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TTC fares going up big time... AGAIN! (pg. 8)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
because you would be legalising slavery |
LOL!!!!!!! ive never worked for a union and ive done just fine thanks. As have most people. In fact some people i know who work in unions complain that because its hard for people the get fired, the middle management becomes lazy, corrupt and inefficient.
Que sopresa! |
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| malek |
| I've worked in unionized workplaces for over 4 years, and I can tell you that a fresh graduate or someone with a bit of ambition would just want to slit his wrists open so slow (and lazy) people are compared to the private sector. |
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| miketg23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
. toll booth collectors making $100k is an insult!
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A booth collectors SALARY closer to 55k
It takes more than 60 hours/wk to bring that income to more than 100
I'm not sure why people have such a hard time wrapping their heads around this. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by MissK
there are machines that you can throw all of it into and it will give you back the money in bills! |
The ones I've seen take a portion of the money though. I'm greedy! lol Plus, I love rolling coins and organizing. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by miketg23
A booth collectors SALARY closer to 55k
It takes more than 60 hours/wk to bring that income to more than 100
I'm not sure why people have such a hard time wrapping their heads around this. |
even that is way too much
that job is work $15 $16 bucks an hour at most. What kind of education does it take? |
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| mute79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
LOL!!!!!!! ive never worked for a union and ive done just fine thanks. As have most people. In fact some people i know who work in unions complain that because its hard for people the get fired, the middle management becomes lazy, corrupt and inefficient.
Que sopresa! |
i've witnessed an executive at a private organisation telling highly specialized staff in an IT sector that they 'better get real' about their compensation if they want to 'compete in the global market'.. what he was implying was that they can't expect to be making a 6 figure income since their position could be outsourced to india.. its bull, because if they thought it was more profitable, they would've done it anyways
its this type of threatening demeanour that needs to be stopped, as it gives unfair leverage to the idiocy that is the upper management.. and its typical of corporate mis-management whose interest is solely in maximizing personal bonuses at expense of the general workforce
you get rid of the unions, this will get out of control (as if it hasn't already).. on the other hand, the ttc union has gotten out of control and needs to be put in its place |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
i've witnessed an executive at a private organisation telling highly specialized staff in an IT sector that they 'better get real' about their compensation if they want to 'compete in the global market'.. what he was implying was that they can't expect to be making a 6 figure income since their position could be outsourced to india.. its bull, because if they thought it was more profitable, they would've done it anyways
its this type of threatening demeanour that needs to be stopped, as it gives unfair leverage to the idiocy that is the upper management.. and its typical of corporate mis-management whose interest is solely in maximizing personal bonuses at expense of the general workforce
you get rid of the unions, this will get out of control (as if it hasn't already).. on the other hand, the ttc union has gotten out of control and needs to be put in its place |
And on the other side of the coin, unions have helped make the cost of doing business so high that often times companies have no choice but to fold or go to india.
Im glad you brought up the third world. One of the reasons they are kicking our asses is due to their pro business stance and encouragement of innovation. Which is more than i can say for modern canada. Cheaper wages can only get you so far when it comes to outsourcing. They are going the full monty over there and quite frankly we make it even easier for them to do so.
Your union arguement in the matter of the public sector is moot because most public sector jobs cant be outsourced. I dont think you can drive a bus in toronto being in india for example. |
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| miketg23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
even that is way too much
that job is work $15 $16 bucks an hour at most. What kind of education does it take? |
Granted, it is a very generous salary for what the job requires, but a collector does not get paid 100k without a lot of sacrifice. |
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| mute79 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
even that is way too much
that job is work $15 $16 bucks an hour at most. What kind of education does it take? |
i agree w/ you there.. $15/hr but give them full benefits if they intend to make a career out of it.. anything beyond that is ridiculous |
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| miketg23 |
TTC Fare Structure, June 1996:
Adult fares: $2 cash; 10 tickets for $16; Metropass $83
Children 12 and under: 50¢ cash; 10 tickets for $4
Students and Seniors (with ID): $1.35 cash; 10 tickets for $10.70; Metropass $73
Day Pass: $6.50
Looks like about a 50% increase on the fares
No one likes inflation but compared to other major expenses this does not seem out of line when compared to the cost of other major expenses. Groceries, night or a meal out, housing and especially gas (100 % as it was 49.9 in 1998) which the TTC requires plenty of, all seem to have gone up at a comparable rate.
If we want to compare our TTC to world class cities, try going for an end to end ride on the Tube in London paying single fare |
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| miketg23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
I've worked in unionized workplaces for over 4 years, and I can tell you that a fresh graduate or someone with a bit of ambition would just want to slit his wrists open so slow (and lazy) people are compared to the private sector. |
I've worked in a union environment for 10 years and it's not as lazy as you might think. I don't get any paid holidays, I don't get paid for stat holidays, I have no sick days,I have no job security or seniority, and if I stop producing I can and will be laid off at anytime with zero severance. It happened to a coworker of 7 years this summer |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mute79
i agree w/ you there.. $15/hr but give them full benefits if they intend to make a career out of it.. anything beyond that is ridiculous |
it shouldnt even be a career any more than mcdonalds should be. You know what i mean? |
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