Originally posted by Kismet7
For this type of song, for the purpose it is for, for the type of people it will reach, it is probably as good as anything U2, Colplay, or REM could put together.
I am not a big U2 fan, but since we should compare apples to apples here (social-political music to social-political), you *seriously* think this is as good as U2's output? I don't see that at all. I am not "jaded," I just think this is a poor effort even compared to other music with a similar "message." Why do you think if someone fails to like a track it must automatically be because they're "bitter" and not simply because they think it stinks?
Kismet7
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I am not a big U2 fan, but since we should compare apples to apples here (social-political music to social-political), you *seriously* think this is as good as U2's output? I don't see that at all. I am not "jaded," I just think this is a poor effort even compared to other music with a similar "message." Why do you think if someone fails to like a track it must automatically be because they're "bitter" and not simply because they think it stinks?
Listen, we dont even have to go to socio-political messages. On its own without the message behind it, its a decently good track, coming from a Trance producer. That was my main point. And the overall dynamics of the track are strong enough for it to be popular amongst people. This is just a simple yet well done Hymn. What i'm saying is a U2,REM,Coldplay track just like this, the impact would not be a huge displacement from what PvD has done here, if you strip away those bands popularity. This track is well done for the context it was made for, simple as that. If you dont like it thats fine, no one is forcing to like it, but dont put a value on it when you cant deconstruct its potential value properly due to either lacking the vision to do so or being jaded.
Kismet7
And from what I can read in the comments for the song on youtube, the message in the track seems to be hitting home with people, so the lyrics are exactly as impactful (in a pop context) as I described them as. This is probably going to sell gangbusters with all the Berlin Wall falling news lately. Folks from every country seem to be liking it in solidarity.
I listened to it a few times, too much hate in this world, just turn on the news and its full of hate, come to a forum and we got hate, good to listen to something like this.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by Kismet7
What i'm saying is a U2,REM,Coldplay track just like this, the impact would not be a huge displacement from what PvD has done here, if you strip away those bands popularity. This track is well done for the context it was made for, simple as that.
But how do you figure that? PvD wrote this as a commemoration of the Berlin Wall coming down, yet it doesn't even mention anything particular about the wall or the circumstances that surrounded it. The word "barrier" is as close as it comes. What concrete imagery it does use is bland stuff that could have come from the page of any old "let the world be one" kind of anthem: "sunshine," "dirt," "skin and bones." There is virtually nothing in the lyrics that make it clear what occasion it's for.
What kind of artistic sense does that display? Being from Berlin himself and politically aware when the Wall came down, I'm sure PvD has all sorts of deep feelings about the occasion, and he probably meant to put some of them into this track, but I really don't think they've been expressed in a very convincing or powerful way here. It just comes off as generic and tepid to me. If it goes off well, it will because it simply rides on the emotion that will inevitably be present at the celebration, and because of people's knowledge that it was written by a guy from Berlin, not because it's a great piece of music.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But how do you figure that? PvD wrote this as a commemoration of the Berlin Wall coming down, yet it doesn't even mention anything particular about the wall or the circumstances that surrounded it. The word "barrier" is as close as it comes. What concrete imagery it does use is bland stuff that could have come from the page of any old "let the world be one" kind of anthem: "sunshine," "dirt," "skin and bones." There is virtually nothing in the lyrics that make it clear what occasion it's for.
What kind of artistic sense does that display? Being from Berlin himself and politically aware when the Wall came down, I'm sure PvD has all sorts of deep feelings about the occasion, and he probably meant to put some of them into this track, but I really don't think they've been expressed in a very convincing or powerful way here. It just comes off as generic and tepid to me. If it goes off well, it will because it simply rides on the emotion that will inevitably be present at the celebration, and because of people's knowledge that it was written by a guy from Berlin, not because it's a great piece of music.
Born out of the dirt
Scattered and thrown into the world
Huddled together
One sun shines on us all
Our skin and bones add up to more
When we cling together.
We can be as one
No more barriers
Build a bridge with love
No more barriers
This time our time has come
No more barriers
We are one
One thought, one glorious thought
We are alive inside of a life
Were in it together
We can be as one
No more barriers
Build a bridge with love
No more barriers
This time our time has come
No more barriers
We are one
We can overcome together
We can be as one together
We can overcome together
We can be as one together
Sounds like something that definately speaks towards the Berlin Wall falling, who says it has to say "Hooray Beriln Wall, you Fell". It doesnt, smart lyrics have a meaning towards something, but can also be open enough to be applied elsewhere, for people to internalize the lyrics to their own liking, for their moments or scenes in life. And that makes things even better for this song, you cant pigeonhole it to bein purely about the Berlin Wall, it can be used many more contexts, truly smart contextual songwriting and well done piece of music as a whole. New found respect for PvD for this one.
RebeL9
LOL is this track for real? I mean is this really PvD?
As soon as I heard it I thought "hold a sec. that sounds familiar...."
Dj Minaya
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Originally posted by Kismet7
For this type of song, for the purpose it is for, for the type of people it will reach, it is probably as good as anything U2, Colplay, or REM might put together. And i'm a fan of all 3 of those bands. Both musically and lyrically, when we are talking about potential pop success of this song. The lyrics are actually good in context to the music and its purpose. They are simple yet have a meaning, they are easy to memorize, and they have to be easy to sing along to. The lyrics, timing, tone pretty much nails all of that. Either your too jaded to see this at face value, or your simply lacking the vision to see this working in the context and places it can be used.
Theirs no way this can hold a candle to anything those three bands have done at all.
Do I admire what Paul and Johnny want to make? Sure.
Did they make anything worth remembering? No.
Just my opinion.
Also why wasn't Hasselholf involved. That dude rocked out when they tore down the wall.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by Dj Minaya
Theirs no way this can hold a candle to anything those three bands have done at all.
Do I admire what Paul and Johnny want to make? Sure.
Did they make anything worth remembering? No.
Just my opinion.
Also why wasn't Hasselholf involved. That dude rocked out when they tore down the wall.
Can you link me to a hymn type track by those groups have made with a similar purpose, that this track cant hold a candle to? If you're going to compare apples and oranges, and make this PvD vs U2, you've missed the points stated.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Kismet7
I thought you guys like Producer/DJs who take chances? Or are the armchair TA music pundits flipping the script?
Or are you just making strawman generalisations about 92,194* very different people? Yeah, thought so.
*Granted, half of those are Jay's alts.
Dj Minaya
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Originally posted by Kismet7
Can you link me to a hymn type track by those groups have made with a similar purpose, that this track cant hold a candle to? If you're going to compare apples and oranges, and make this PvD vs U2, you've missed the points stated.
I probably shouldn't mainly because We Are One has over 30,000 views so far and well that would mean were all wrong in the end according to you.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Or are you just making strawman generalisations about 92,194* very different people? Yeah, thought so.
*Granted, half of those are Jay's alts.
The TA Music Pundits do not comprise of 92,194 TA users, it is actually a vocal minority of 20-30 fulltime s/ettes. 92,150+ TA members = Good Folks
20-30 TA Members = Toxic Trolls
I would not associate the lifeless ethicless Trolls of TA, with the thousands of good people on TA. There is a clear cut difference between 92k+ TA's who are here to enjoy EDM music and the scene , and the trolls who litter TA for years now because they have nothing better to do with themselves, hate themselves (they are spending time on a site they seem to not actually enjoy much of the music or scene its about), or are soulless shills trying to undermine the scene and music.
woscar
I was finally able to listen to the sample.
Sure, it's apples and oranges...but this beats the crap out of anything PvD has done since "Reflections".
