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Settle this one once and for all - 'there's no money in releasing now'. (pg. 5)
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
So has anyone here made any money releasing a single in the last 5 years?
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Got two mates who have. The first is very well known and has gone back to producing / DJ'ing full time in the last year. But suffered a bit a few years ago from labels / promoters not paying and had to take a day job as well.
Second mate has made about £70 in four years from about 10 or so releases / remixes. His last release got him a net profit of............ £4.50!
Not huge money but at least one is managing to make a career of it. |
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| adi_hanson |
When I used to like a piece of music , I used to hop down to the record store and pick up a copy on CD.
Now I just buy music on CD album , i cant be arsed signing up for beatport or anything , and for a younger generation , anything other than limewire wont do. |
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| Sonic_c |
I know someone that makes money from producing their music then performing it with ableton live. He is my teacher and he obv sont earn enough to pay the bills as is teaching me lol.
Lilly allen recently gave up releasing records didnt she saying there was no money so taking that as a barometer...
Yet i now have someone telling me cd/mp3 sales have gone up massively in the last 5 years as a whole but its because there is more choice the the piece of the cake for the artist is smaller.
What about if you have a fan base and release an album? I bought PVD's greatest hits, armins new one, and calvin harris disco thing? on cd!! |
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| Sonic_c |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
Second mate has made about £70 in four years from about 10 or so releases / remixes. His last release got him a net profit of............ £4.50!
Not huge money but at least one is managing to make a career of it. |
JOB VACANCY ***
Trance Producer
Someone required to utilise their talent built up often over decades and all their expensive gear to make some contemporary dance music releases.
Start date: Now
Salary: £70 / 4 years or £1.45 per month
Benefits: None
Experience required: MIN Several years of working tirelessly at pc/mac
Apply to imtehmoosicman@analogue4u.com |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
Got two mates who have. The first is very well known and has gone back to producing / DJ'ing full time in the last year. But suffered a bit a few years ago from labels / promoters not paying and had to take a day job as well.
Second mate has made about £70 in four years from about 10 or so releases / remixes. His last release got him a net profit of............ £4.50!
Not huge money but at least one is managing to make a career of it. |
None of the inividual releases I did have made that little haha. Sometimes a couple of 10ers. Sometimes couple of 100 |
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| chick |
anyone has an idea how much money do you earn for a track that is on beatport top 100 in a specific genre for example on 60th place ?
someone who i know has constant releases and he's always on top 100 (his music sucks) but he's producing only two years so i guess he is cool. |
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| aNYthing |
The whole EDM genre has been and evolved even further into a disposeable comodity.
Think hard how many tracks can you name that you can play repeatedly and crowd would go nuts for it? Even PvD would get for playing "For an Angel" or "Times of our lives" at every gig. Now, how many tracks would you want to buy say... 3 months after it came out? Not many. Top DJs get the dibs on most promissing tracks first. By the time release actually comes out, it's so played out not many are willing to buy it.
Case in point - Aly & Fila "Khapera" - when it first was played back in April I was really excited about it. By the time it was released in late August, I couldn't care much about it as it was overplayed already. Top jocs don't even have to step into a record store anymore - everything is emailed/uploaded with all stems attached. So that your joc can throw together his own remix/re-work on his way to the next gig.
That's where it's headed - your tracks will no longer be just 2 channels, they will be elements in PvD's A.D.D.-riddled set, moshed with some other chap's hard work into some kind of unrecognizeable mess that won't resemble anything you produced.
I talked to Marcelo (DJ Eco) and he basically said that most of the money may come from a remix project or live gig. Track sales alone are mostly insignificant source of revenue, unless you are top of the charts, selling loads of tracks week in and week out.
In conclusion, it is quite illogical if you think about it... spend so much time, energy, money to produce something that has so little financial reward for 99.999% of us.
Until the whole distribution and compensation model is fixed, I suspect not much will change. Besides, when you're competing against a 17 year old kid with unlimited amount of time on his hands and no expenses, when his entire synth rig is composed of stolen software and he's releasing pretty quality choons for nothing more than rep and occasional candy raver ... we're all SOL. |
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| Kismet7 |
Armchair EDM industry pundits...is serious business.
We already discussed this thread in greath length.
Good rule of thumb..
Release music through incompetent label...not much money or future building, though a good experience. Take it and find better avenues to open up shop through.
Release music through good label...if you're music is good, it should sell decently + exposure + build listener base + new opportunities.
I've mentioned my patented snowball model in the previous thread discussing the same exact topic. Which seems to bring on amnesia for a few folks. The reality is whatever you realease, especially through good labels will build value instrinsically. For both future music sales and your "brand" as an artist. Which leads to more doors and opportunities, whether its paid remix work, licensing on compilations, radio play, gigs and various other avenues that build like a snowball if you make decent music. So at face value, actual sales of singles arent where things end, the returns are compounded through various avenues. So stop focusing on the boxed in "buh buh its not going to sell much", and start looking at the bigger picture... |
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| isrefel |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I used to think so, too. Then I realized that there had always been plenty of crappy music around, and I was just getting harder to please as I got older. Every generation says that music has fallen down since the "golden age," the "golden age" happening to coincide with when they were in their teens or early twenties.
Old people who listen to Perry Como and Frank Sinatra say it about rock music. The sixties hippies say it about seventies music. The seventies prog rockers say it about eighties arena rock. The eighties metal heads say it about nineties grunge and dance music. And the nineties grunge heads and trance heads say it about Linkin Park and Tiesto. In another ten years I bet people who are teenagers now will be complaining about how Tiesto used to be so awesome, back in 2009, but [insert factor here] ruined it all. |
very very good point.... i get what ure saying..... so what basicially is happening if you could have any over view from 89 until now is that the music is evolving to become more and more mainstream..... dance used to be underground...travel 100miles to a badly lit field with a poor soundsystem.... now its 20quid in and everyone is wearing designer clothes.... and the soundsystem if turned up full could probably kill u....lol |
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| isrefel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
JOB VACANCY ***
Trance Producer
Someone required to utilise their talent built up often over decades and all their expensive gear to make some contemporary dance music releases.
Start date: Now
Salary: £70 / 4 years or £1.45 per month
Benefits: None
Experience required: MIN Several years of working tirelessly at pc/mac
Apply to imtehmoosicman@analogue4u.com |
lol....... its not about money.... its the buzz youll get when you hear ure tune dropped in a club....id rather hear sasha play my tune than win the lottery.... and i dont say that lightly, i mean it :) |
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| Sonic_c |
| quote: | Originally posted by isrefel
lol....... its not about money.... its the buzz youll get when you hear ure tune dropped in a club....id rather hear sasha play my tune than win the lottery.... and i dont say that lightly, i mean it :) |
Me too i had that the other day not sasha but another dj and it made me happier than say when i get paid from work? so it clearly means more to me than money. |
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| johncannons1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Laidback Luke does one track in four hours which includes writing, mixing, and mastering.
Supposedly, Prydz works very quickly too. |
i heard on the grapevine that prydz made that remix of education in a short train ride from gig to gig in europe. |
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