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Subtractor for bass compared to VSTs like Sylenth, Blue, etc
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Another thread sparked this but I've been rewiring subtractor now for almost ALL my basses.
It really seems to sound a lot less "flimsy" compared to certain vsts like sylenth or z3ta.
It seems like it really does almost any bass with ease, and holds up in mixes better then 90% of my vsts.
I know software is software but anytime I try to get a bassline with something else, I always find myself going back to subtractor. (the virus I'm still trying to perfect getting it to "sit right"). But does anyone else find themselves absolutely hooked on subtractor?
I'll put reasons Scream 4, Phaser, Unison, and Equalizer in the sends, and some of the sounds I get with this set up just seem to rock what I've been doing with Sylenth over the past few months. Then I route it all into FL for the mixdown.
Not only do I think it sounds better, but its also a crapload lighter on CPU. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
You always ask for samples damnit. OK hold on lol
edit: like 2 more minutes, rendering now. If I'm going to post samples at least maybe someone can comment on them.
These are 2 tracks I started today, all bass sounds made with subtractor. brb to get them up.. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Ok here: the part where the clap drops in is also when the lead synths drop in, but I took them out so you can here subtractor better.
The fx is subtractor too:
Take 1 - Subtractor
Still a wip
Then this one is a bit more cluttered, the fx is also subtractor running through scream distortion, and all basses are also subtractor (2 basslines). I hate submitting samples because I feel like I gotta impress people but I really do just love the way subtractor sounds compared to other synths.
So if you don't like it, whatever =] I love it. And the end where the sine drops in is where I lost direction so nevermind that part..
Take 2 - Subtractor |
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| Beatflux |
| I listened to take 1 and did not care for the distortion when you opened the filter all of the way. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I listened to take 1 and did not care for the distortion when you opened the filter all of the way. |
Cool, well thanks for being honest.
I can either lessen the distortion, or automate is down as the filter opens (to keep the sound cleaner) but ideally thats where I'll be dropping the synths, so the filter won't even really need to open.
I do see what you mean though it comes in a bit messy at that part. |
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| Lolo |
because unconsciously you are making the right moves with subtractor? As it's a simple synth and it is really easy to program on your own, you don't browse patches. And those VSTi's and/or the Virus have become preset factories with a gazillion routings and options... Could it be the answer?
I only have one suggestion for getting sounds to sit right: do all the patches on your own, or take a preset, remove all of its fx and unneeded stuff. The simpler the better, or less is more.
You'll never see me using presets straight away anymore. Every single preset bores me because I tend to lose focus on what was done as today's instruments can be quite complex. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
You'll never see me using presets straight away anymore. |
do people really still do this? :rolleyes: |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
because unconsciously you are making the right moves with subtractor? As it's a simple synth and it is really easy to program on your own, you don't browse patches. And those VSTi's and/or the Virus have become preset factories with a gazillion routings and options... Could it be the answer?
I only have one suggestion for getting sounds to sit right: do all the patches on your own, or take a preset, remove all of its fx and unneeded stuff. The simpler the better, or less is more.
You'll never see me using presets straight away anymore. Every single preset bores me because I tend to lose focus on what was done as today's instruments can be quite complex. |
I can't respond to that theres nothing really smarter to say at this point.
I really am starting to see all this music making stuff really just comes down to knowing your tools. Thats why I tolerate all the bs on these forums is to learn little things like that.
I can NOT truley criticize my own music till I realistically even learn to use the tools in front of me. (quote with my name please lol)
Thats all I'm doing for now. Thanks, and everything I have on my computer is actually legit lol. I was contemplating installing a few torrents from my back up dvds but I seriously can prob just burn that ? Im sure more people do it it its just another habit where we think "more is better". I've actually been having so much more fun W/OUT all that crap anyway.
i mean "fully" learn the tools, I do know a decent amount ftr |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
do people really still do this? :rolleyes: |
a good 75% of producers I know still do this. Believe it or not. Those same 75% make use of cracked software only... I won't name them here.
You had to see me back in the good old days (98-99) with my Virus A, the CS1X and the JV1080. All of my music was made of presets. I didn't know anything better. Young and dumb I was. Eek. |
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| Storyteller |
I sometimes use presets, sometimes don't. They're a really good starting point when you want to do some quick sound design. Just take the one that sounds somewhat a like and tweak from there.
The illegal software debate is brilliant. Those people want to be taken seriously in music but making an investment is too much effort. Go figure :rolleyes:
I've got a couple of go-to synths (Synth1, Nord rack, DCAM Strobe)which are mostly really easy in use and those just work for me. I doesn't matter which one that may be or why that particular one works better for me. It just works, so use it. |
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| Evolve140 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVV33dxYuu8
Watch this, it's very interesting. Look what he does with the Subtractor for his bassline, and the FM. Very good stuff. Daniel Kandi doesn't use any VST instruments either, and his stuff is gorgeous. In my opinion the subtractor is fabulous, but I never used it properly. After I switsched to VSTs my started coming together a little bit more consistently, including in the mixdown. The VSTs helped me learn more about envelope usage, filters, etc, and now I bet if I went back and started using the Subtractor I would have a much better time with it. I don't think I liked the interace. I do agree with Airwave about the parameters and stuff being in the "right place". Maybe you just work better, as the interface of Subtractor is pretty unique. |
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