For all those who want to see the man, who started entrancing and hypnotic atmospheric space music with synthesizers and is regarded as "the father of trance" (tho Jarre had a similar style, but didn't sound so much entrancing as Schulze):
Klaus Schulze live durring his live performance in 1977:
and here is imo his biggest masterpiece, 17 minutes long orgasm:
maximum respect for our daddy!
sljiva
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Originally posted by Yoshi
who started entrancing and hypnotic atmospheric space music with synthesizers
He started to make entrancing and hypnotic atmospheric space music without synths even prior to that. His milestone Irrlicht is one of the finest and most important proto-ambient (proto-electronic) albums ever, created completely without synths.
Plus, he was not alone: his former band Tangerine Dream, Jarre, Oldfield and even Pink Floyd (DSOTM) were all equally influential for electronic music (and indirectly trance).
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Originally posted by Yoshi
and is regarded as "the father of trance" (tho Jarre had a similar style, but didn't sound so much entrancing as Schulze)
He's actually much more than just a father of trance. Trance isn't the nucleus of electronic music, you know?
SYSTEM-J
Did Mike Oldfield really do that much for electronic music?
sljiva
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Did Mike Oldfield really do that much for electronic music?
You'll have to ask the artists influenced by him that.
Yoshi
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He's actually much more than just a father of trance. Trance isn't the nucleus of electronic music, you know?
lol, i know, but since we are on a trance forum and a lot of people are here who probably listen to trance for less then 5 years and think some of todays stars had something to do with the beginning of trance, i wrote the father of trance, so maybe 2 or 3 of those people will check and know better.
And yes, "Irrlicht" is ing brilliant!
especially "1. Satz Ebene" has blown me away few weeks ago :eek: :eek: :eek:
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by sljiva
You'll have to ask the artists influenced by him that.
I'm struggling to think of anyone influenced by him in a discernible way, beyond being inspired to make music generally.
sljiva
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm struggling to think of anyone influenced by him in a discernible way, beyond being inspired to make music generally.
He's frequently being mentioned as an influence along the others I already mentioned (Jarre, TD, Schulze) by some pretty respectable names in electronic music. Among others, your beloved The Orb.
SYSTEM-J
I own two Orb albums (the first two), so I'm not sure why they're my "beloved". And honestly, do you think The Orb sound anything like Oldfield? If anything, Oldfield's mid-90s ambient doodlings (Songs Of The Distant Earth) are more obviously influenced by The Orb than the other way around.
sljiva
I'm not talking about his mid 90s ambient doodlings (just like I'm not talking about Tangerine Dream's afwul 80s period which thankfully didn't influenced anyone important). I'm obviously talking about Tubular Bells, album that carries a strong electronic music aesthetics, album that is completely focused on ambience and which is pretty spacey, atmospheric, hypnotic and progressive. And which is most importantly released in '73. I'm surprised you can't hear (or won't hear) characteristics of that album in The Orb's early music.
SYSTEM-J
For what it's worth I think it sounds like none of those things, aside from possibly the first few minutes. Quite the opposite of spacey and hypnotic, Tubular Bells is folky, pastoral, pseudo-classical, public-school twee and mostly comprised of aimless guitar wankery. It's also completely devoid of synthesisers.
Of course, it sold something like 18 million copies in the 1970s so just about anyone who grew up in that period, smoked weed and went on to make instrumental music would have heard it and probably been inspired by it. But in aesthetic or technical terms, I think it did almost nothing for electronic music.
sljiva
Besides those harsh electric guitar parts, the whole thing sounds more electronic than progressive rock, with whom it shares a lot of characteristics, and which is also often mentioned as an influence to electronic music. Even those pastoral and folky parts have strong ambient qualities, and while you listen to them it's impossible not to hear Ambient period Eno, Manuel Göttsching or any other early ambient producer. And music can have electronic music qualities without utilizing electronic music instruments, I though you knew that.
But whatever, I'm not planning to waste my whole night arguing about whether Oldfield influenced anyone or not. Artists themselves spoke out and anyone who listened to Tubular Bells and work of those artists can judge for themselves.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by sljiva
Besides those harsh electric guitar parts, the whole thing sounds more electronic than progressive rock, with whom it shares a lot of characteristics, and which is also often mentioned as an influence to electronic music. Even those pastoral and folky parts have strong ambient qualities, and while you listen to them it's impossible not to hear Ambient period Eno, Manuel Göttsching or any other early ambient producer. And music can have electronic music qualities without utilizing electronic music instruments, I though you knew that.
I'm fully aware of that, but I don't hear anything resembled ambient music in Tubular Bells beyond it being instrumental. It's saturated with guitar overdubs and there are very few piano or string parts, and consequently little that could resemble the keyboard and pad bedrock of most ambient electronic music. And the folky pastoral parts do not sound like Music For Airports or any other early ambient. They sound like traditional pastoral folk bloated out to proggish dimensions. Beyond Tubular Bells belonging roughly to the prog rock pantheon, and prog rock being an influence on many early electronic producers, I hear almost nothing musically in the album to call it influential.
As I've said, if you sell 18 million copies of an instrumental record, subsequent instrument artists will cite you as an influence, regardless of how much they've actually taken from you.
