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| kadomony |
I dunno about you guys, but sometimes I find arrangement is the hardest part of finishing a track.
My question:
The track I'm working on has 112 bars, then a 32 bar break, then another 112 bars. Is this technically correct? It sounds fine to me. As long as I have both sides of the break balanced, it should be ok, right? |
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| rulzz |
| there are no rules in music, stop confining yourself |
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| kadomony |
Yea, I figured.
I'm just asking for possible DJ friendliness of the track. Although, I suppose it's up to the person who wants to mix it to know the progression :p |
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| nightowl |
To be DJ friendly have the first 16 and last 16 bars or more as drums so they DJ has something to safely beatmatch with, without having to worry about bass notes clashing badly the previous or next tune's bass.
You have my sympathy with this one 'cos I've struggled with this: Do i have an idea and force into a tried and tested arrangement or go with the flow and risk the results being directionless :nervous: |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
I'm just asking for possible DJ friendliness of the track. Although, I suppose it's up to the person who wants to mix it to know the progression :p |
Not really. You really only need to have a mixable intro and outro for it to be considered "DJ friendly". Whether that intro is 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 48, 64 bars or whatever is fine. As long as it follows the 4/4 pattern, whatever happens in between the intro and outro is basically irrelevant. |
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| Subtle |
| The hardest part is just having interesting enough sounds throughout the track, if you struggle with arrangement there might be something missing from the track to begin with. |
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| palm |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
I dunno about you guys, but sometimes I find arrangement is the hardest part of finishing a track.
My question:
The track I'm working on has 112 bars, then a 32 bar break, then another 112 bars. Is this technically correct? It sounds fine to me. As long as I have both sides of the break balanced, it should be ok, right? |
112+32+112=256bars = ok.
remember it should go up in 16. 16,32,64,128,256 etc.
id split it up diferently though so that each part actualy go into the "16bar" rule. first part either 96 or 128 bars, break can be the same, and the next part also 96 or 128, the oposit of your first part.
that would make it be like for example: 128+32+96 is still 256=ok.
btw im not saying that u must follow any rules, it just makes more sense when u do, so i recomend following structures mathematicaly correct. that also shows some insight imo.
ive made a thread some months ago about a project of mine which ive started on, about structures but i cant find. dont remember what the title was.
what ive come up with now is to make tracks at 128bpm, with four 64 bar parts = 8 min track, exactly, each part transit to the next after two minutes in its parts last 1 or 2 bar. four parts with three obvious transitions to keep the track interesting without have to change all the time ie keeping the drive as long as possible but not too long.
ive also been thinking about three 96 bar parts with only two big transitions, each part 3 min long, resulting in 9 min tracks. for example intro (3min), main part(3min), outro(3min).
obviously this kind of structures would probably never work on full on trance, im making progressive atm. |
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| kadomony |
cool thanks for the answers guys :)
i already have just drums for the 1st and last 16 bars.
subtle, yea that was the original problem, and then the problem was deciding how exactly the track should progress.
anyway, i think it's good now. cheers :D |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
.. whatever happens in between the intro and outro is basically irrelevant. |
Hm. so I can slap some beats and just some white noise in between and call it a track? EXCELLENT! I now see why Armin, Deadmau5 and Guetta are so popular. They know how to bang intro/outro proper.
/love taking things out of context. :D |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
112+32+112=256bars = ok.
remember it should go up in 16. 16,32,64,128,256 etc.
id split it up diferently though so that each part actualy go into the "16bar" rule. first part either 96 or 128 bars, break can be the same, and the next part also 96 or 128, the oposit of your first part.
that would make it be like for example: 128+32+96 is still 256=ok.
btw im not saying that u must follow any rules, it just makes more sense when u do, so i recomend following structures mathematicaly correct. that also shows some insight imo.
ive made a thread some months ago about a project of mine which ive started on, about structures but i cant find. dont remember what the title was.
what ive come up with now is to make tracks at 128bpm, with four 64 bar parts = 8 min track, exactly, each part transit to the next after two minutes in its parts last 1 or 2 bar. four parts with three obvious transitions to keep the track interesting without have to change all the time ie keeping the drive as long as possible but not too long.
ive also been thinking about three 96 bar parts with only two big transitions, each part 3 min long, resulting in 9 min tracks. for example intro (3min), main part(3min), outro(3min).
obviously this kind of structures would probably never work on full on trance, im making progressive atm. |
So, how come so many "phrases" I'm seeing are 9 bars? I'm seeing 9 - 18, 27, etc...
explain? |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
cool thanks for the answers guys :)
i already have just drums for the 1st and last 16 bars.
subtle, yea that was the original problem, and then the problem was deciding how exactly the track should progress.
anyway, i think it's good now. cheers :D |
Sam, I thought you were friends with Kayce (breakfast) and Big Mike (mike St. Jules) - can't you ask them? :D |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
i already have just drums for the 1st and last 16 bars.
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You may want to consider doing a bit more than that in the intro block. Try teasing the main hook or prominent elements a little, using some of your track effects intelligently, or beginning to establish your theme. 16 bars of just drums would be not only boring, but does not allow the track to begin to establish it's identity especially when being mixed out of the previous track. |
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