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Society SUCKS (pg. 2)
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayci
I gave her $10 and when I walked away, I started crying.
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I'm quoting you - not because this is directed totally towards you, but because this line just expressed so very clearly what's wrong with the world today.
Giving somebody $10 is not going to make their lives rosy again - hey, it probably only buys them a decent meal/another bottle. I believe that when we (I do it too sometimes) give small change to charity or people in the street, we are, in essence, buying ourselves a better conscience. If we *really* wanted to help this human being in so much trouble we would hurry home and sell our TVs, computers etc. and donate an amount that makes a true difference.
But we don't.
No, instead we can argue about how society - that is, the government, big bussiness and insensitive people in general (putting ourself comfortably out of the equation) - is failing to meet its obligations towards people at the bottom of it. But that is actually not something new and unique! All the way throughout the ages, society has never been taking care of those left trailing behind. In fact you don't have to look further back than a couple of decades before social injustice is the norm rather than the exception in western society. What has changed IMO, is that we nowadays feel like we (society) can handle any problems the world might throw at us, and then we simply cannot understand that society (ie. everyone else) won't do nothing for these people.
I say, that we should either put in a real effort - becomming a foreign aid worker, volunteer for helping people on the street, become a politician (and hope that 50% of the rest of the population will pay more taxes in order to finance a help-bill) or something similar - or stop bitching that society fails on its duties and simply accept that sometimes the veils of civilization is cast aside and we get grim glimpses of what lies beneath. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| *gives trancaholic a standing ovation* |
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| InsomnEac |
| since a few years ago, i only gave money to the people who were willing to actually do something to earn their money, ex: tell jokes, sing a song, draw a picture, thast sort of thing. there has to be some motivation, you can't just go around giving money to people just sitting there. if one were to take a social-darwinist approach, which i agree with, you would just let them take care of themselves or die, it's just hard to actually do that because most people are caught up with sympathy/empathy. too bad... |
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| DJ Chrono |
I agree with you guys.. but I heard a story on the news before, about a homeless woman on the streets of toronto. She looked all dirty, had a garbage back covering her feet, and acted like she had some sort of disibility. It turns out she was faking the whole thing, she had an arpartment, and she always got to her place on the sidewalk early when no one was around, and left it late at night. They said she made $500 on a good day, and thats alot of money. She was pretty much earning more than most people for doing absolutely nothing, and the government doesnt collect income tax from that money. Also, my sister had seen her downtown before snorting cocain.
In some cases these people are honestly poor and have no home etc. But I wouldnt hesitate to say that alot of them are drug addicts and/or alcoholics. There are homeless shelters for these people to go to, where they give out food, and they let them sleep, and they dont have to look all dirty and poor.. they could afford rent after less than a week of begging for money on the side of the street if they didnt waste it.
I may seem heartless, but alot of these people got themselves in their own prediciments because of their own actions, and then they beg for people to support their habits and addictions, while they dont go out and try to get a job, and pull them selves together.
These are my feelings on the matter, and of course some homeless people do try to get themselves a job, clean up their act etc, and its good for them to do so.
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| Jayci |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
I'm quoting you - not because this is directed totally towards you, but because this line just expressed so very clearly what's wrong with the world today.
Giving somebody $10 is not going to make their lives rosy again - hey, it probably only buys them a decent meal/another bottle. I believe that when we (I do it too sometimes) give small change to charity or people in the street, we are, in essence, buying ourselves a better conscience. If we *really* wanted to help this human being in so much trouble we would hurry home and sell our TVs, computers etc. and donate an amount that makes a true difference. |
That's so true. Psychology says that people will do anything that'll help them feel better. I felt I had to give her something, anything. But when I start working, I do plan to set aside some of my money to actually see the construction of, say, a building to house people, or buying food and stuff to send and visit people in poor countries. Charities are good, but still its kinda like giving money to the beggars and not actually seeing it help people. Heck, after hearing about how the Red Cross used some of that WTC money for their own purposes, that made me pretty upset. So yeah, that's what I'd like to do with some of my money in the future |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
The whole set up is its ing wank, no one will ever be happy, we all have happy lives well most of us but I think about it a lot, and the majority of us live in false conciousness of what is around us, most us get measy wages, later on a comfortable house, a mortage, living all happily later on usually with a wife and 2 kids, and at the end of the day everyone is as happy as pigs in .
Think, Where I live, I see British homeless people without a house or nothing, begging on the streets, but the government lets in Kosovan refugee's none of which are women and children, 2 out of 10 of them work, right and I see the ******s hanging on street corners with the newest mobile phones, the newest trainers (sneakers), they all get free houses, with no bills, food vouchers everything, and theres people who legally belong in this country living on the street it takes the ing piss, society is people.
The Government are the biggest heads, the ruthless business men who don't give a about people below them, but still no one takes ing notice, they just get along with their lives, think the head of your firm where u work can kick you out of a job for nothing, we have so called powers like industrial tribunerals, we get what about £25,000 maxium if we win, whats that to a firm that has a bank balance of a billion odd its all thats like giving a kid some pocket money to them, and say you don't win that tribuneral you've got bills to pay, sooner or later your on the street, see they can up peoples lives they have the power all the big corporations do.
The Government its ran by ing public school boys for sake well someone like me if their lucky can earn a measy wage of £15,000 a year, everythings expensive, the tax rate is digusting and you know what my tax goe's on a ed up medical system that doesn't even ing work, you wait for hours to get served its a joke, and its a joke because no one wants to be doctors or nurses for the fact their jobs so stressful and the government pays them all money for it, you know whys theres no money because theres 1000s of Middle Managers who do all but make peoples lives a misery in the British National Health Service, they sit on their arses, go to the occasional board meeting and earn more money then some doctors for sake its crazy. Then my tax is used to pay for the damage ing scum do on the streets little s who need to beaten to death, who don't get touched by the law because no one can be arsed to send them to young offender homes. And the immagration system haha I'm semi immagrant myself, I'm born in the UK where I live though, but that is ed. You think of all these little problems I listed and reasons to why we have not enough to house the homeless and why society is so ed up, and you know what the stupid thing is half the ******s on this planet don't even notice how ed it is. Take a good look at your country some time and the system the government the corperations and companies, the people, the lifestyle of some people, the social economic structure, and its far from good. Society sucks big time and no matter what it won't please anyone
Rant over lol |
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| Dj_Andrew_K |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj DoomForce
I was just walking home in this really hot day,that you just wanna get to your place and drink something really cool,when i came across an old aged man,holding his head,dressed with winter clothes(jacket)-a beggar i'm sure i've seen before.He had a really depressed expression on his face and it kinda looked like my father,and so many thoughts came to my mind,what if he was my father,how would i feel?
Just think on it,how bad this whole world has turned,how does this man feel and every man like him... |
well...
you know what?
most of the times I don't feel sorry for them...
I mean it was their choise to be like that!
They could try to find a job while still young
instead of begging! So when you look at your father
you see a normal man because he was working and tried hard
to survive...
dunno... just my point!
anyway in some other cases these people were really bad lucked
(as if their country was in war or smthing like that) Then OK -
we can say that Life sucks sometimes! :( |
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| Dj_Andrew_K |
{{Dj DoomForce}} > re sy, pisteyo to kako edo stin Ellada exei paraginei... idika me tous albanous ki'etsi :( oses fores eimoun eksoteriko, pio irema fainotan ekei ta pragmata!
btw, eisai dj? paizeis pouthena? |
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| DuMonde TrAnCeR |
people up here who are on the streets are always on for a reason, they either got themselves into that mess in the firstplace thru drug abuse/prison at a young age, or theyre pretending they need to buy food, when all they want ur money is for smack. a cruel way tpo look at it yes, but its the truth 99% of the time. there is always a way to get urself out of sumthing in this day and age, if you cant conform to the basic rules society (ie stealing, rape, mugging, drug addictions) then you cant conform, and u get dejected from it.
simple as that.
if you treat peopel and their posetions with respect you cant end up in such dire situations, it is not possible. belive me. these people live like this for a reason, and they deserve it.
for example the other day we were walking round boro (well going to sugarshack) and this little boy comes up to us at 9pm on a saturday night in boro town centre, and asks us if he has any money because he "came down to watch spiderman and doesnt have any bus money to get home to newcastle" . now come on, what parent lets their 10 year olkd kid go to MIDDLESBROUGH TOWN CENTRE BY THEMSELVES on a saturday night to watch spiderman, at the piss poor boro Odean. we gave him 20p to make him off, obvious he was stiched up by his smack addicted parent/sibling. |
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| DuMonde TrAnCeR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
Think, Where I live, I see British homeless people without a house or nothing, begging on the streets, but the government lets in Kosovan refugee's none of which are women and children, 2 out of 10 of them work, right and I see the ******s hanging on street corners with the newest mobile phones, the newest trainers (sneakers), they all get free houses, with no bills, food vouchers everything, and theres people who legally belong in this country living on the street it takes the ing piss, society is people.
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exactly, people wonder why fascism exists, yet everywhere there are people exploiting our own contries wealth for the expense of our own people. same again with respect, the refugees/immigrants dont respect our country and its peopel and exploit it, and get prejudice and discrimination, what can the ing expect?
i myself am not fascist or racist, but when people "take the piss" i hate it, GREATLY, but not everyone is a bad egg. |
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| BLuEOcEaN420 |
im going to take a different approach to this matter....
to those ppl that said that the homeless ppl decided their fate.. well not all of them can help themselves out.. i watched documentaries in a class like an year and a half ago about homeless ppl and many of the elder homlesss ended up living on the street cuz of econimical insecurities.. many of them had it all going for them at one period or another but due to the economy they lost their jobs and could not be employed afterward b/c of their age and wutnot.. realistically speaking, what company would want to pay old ppl working when they can get the younger generation who are more sturdy and more productive who dont need to be cared for retirement, at least not anytime in the near future? :rolleyes:
also,there are many homeless ppl due to their mental status. by this i mean, there are many mentally unstable homeless ppl that have no place to live or work and cant even work b/c of their conditions. many of these ppl were at one point living in mental hospitals but were soon kicked out b/c of the cost of financing them and treatment got out of hand, or else there weren't enough room for all those ppl that cant even support themselves. they live on welfare and soon or later the governments dont wanna cough up money for those who arent capable of working nor do their families (if they even have) want to associate themselves with them.....
on another note, there are ppl who decide to become homeless. by this, i dont mean lowlife drug addicts and etc.. i mean those who are mentally stable and could work and have got families and etc but decided that they dont want to live according to society's standards. these are the ppl who got fed up w/ society that they decide to literally detach themselves from society and anyone and everyone that has anything to do with it. for some of you, it may seem ridiculous idea to not want to live accordingly to society but then again, some say that those who are the outcasts of society (Freaks) are the only ones that can see how society really works.
i think we are all to quick to jump to conclusions that homeless ppl are freaks that some how must have failed to end up where/how they are now but, really, they are no different from u or me. its not improbable that one day we may end up in the situation as them....:o
-BluEOcEaN420
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by BLuEOcEaN420
to those ppl that said that the homeless ppl decided their fate.. well not all of them can help themselves out...
...what company would want to pay old ppl working when they can get the younger generation who are more sturdy and more productive who dont need to be cared for retirement...many mentally unstable homeless...
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I totally agree with what your saying. I can't understand why people show so much resentment towards the homeless. Whether you want to give them money is up to you.
Any who is interested in this subject matter, I recommend reading Arthur Nersesian's "The -Up", an entertaining story about a young man's downfall in NYC. |
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