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This PC or this PC? (pg. 2)
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| Zeiter |
| you know acer produces ty laptops that do not last very long? Everyone I know who bought an acer said they wouldn't buy it again and some of them ran into big problems...dried motherboards and stuff...just sayin' though |
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| boris_the_bear |
| quote: | Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z]
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Haak
Music production and Traktor (when I can afford it). Probably some gaming too, but it really is best for me if it can't run the newest games too well. Want to get some work done for a change.
Thanks for the input people. Seems pretty obvious 2 is the way to go.
They are Acer laptops. Price is 5500 NOK, which is 918 USD. Keep in mind that this is Norway, most expensive country in the world. |
13" Macbook Pro then. :o |
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| Fledz |
Guys, that's not an old Pentium. It's actually still a Core2Duo so no, the i3 is not a lot faster. This is why people need to actually read and do some research before flat out suggesting things to people.
To be honest, neither will do the job. The Pentium is a strong(ish) processor but it's old tech, has a small cache and doesn't have hyperthreading.
The i3 is almost brand new but it's the budget processor in the new line and not designed for heavy processing. The i3s don't even have turbo boost.
What you're looking for is an i5. It should only set you a couple of hundred more dollars but will give you much bigger improvements. |
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| Omega_Blue |
2, but don't settle for the i3. Look at benchmark comparisons and you'll see that it underperforms when compared to other decent but outdated dual core processors. From how I understand it, if you're on a budget, the i5 is the best bang for your buck. I personally have the i7 in my lappy though.
If you're looking to play games, you won't like the i3 with a 512mb gpu. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Fledz doesn't have hyperthreading. |
Good. That is a piece of technology to begin with. In memory and cpu bandwidth heavy apps (production, gaming, etc) you actually are hurting performance by having hyperthreading enabled. |
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| Fledz |
Not with the i3/5/7 you're not, because of the way they can dynamically offload processing power to other cores if the application is not natively coded for hyperthreading.
It's a fantastic technology that sadly is still too far ahead of its time. Hopefully now with Win7 being quite prevalent, we will see more native x64, hyperthreaded applications. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Not with the i3/5/7 you're not, because of the way they can dynamically offload processing power to other cores if the application is not natively coded for hyperthreading.
It's a fantastic technology that sadly is still too far ahead of its time. Hopefully now with Win7 being quite prevalent, we will see more native x64, hyperthreaded applications. |
Hyperthreading never will be a good technology. It has been proven time and again, that it is a worthless technology for anyone that uses a large portion of their max cpu power. It is great for low end users that don't, but for high end users, it is absolutely pointless. |
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| Fledz |
Maxing out processing power gets us nowhere. There's no point getting 5Ghz in a single thread when they CPU overheats to 90 degrees Celsius, kills the battery life and causes stability issues.
I know you're a Yank so you can be forgiven by wanting MOAR POWER and forcing everything, but efficiency, not raw power is the way forward. That's what the dual cores, quad cores, i7s etc with their multi tasking ability are doing, and they are far better technology than the old single core processors. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Maxing out processing power gets us nowhere. There's no point getting 5Ghz in a single thread when they CPU overheats to 90 degrees Celsius, kills the battery life and causes stability issues.
I know you're a Yank so you can be forgiven by wanting MOAR POWER and forcing everything, but efficiency, not raw power is the way forward. That's what the dual cores, quad cores, i7s etc with their multi tasking ability are doing, and they are far better technology than the old single core processors. |
Uh, I am not talking about overclocking or even adding more power. The point was that Hyperthreading, for how "great" it sounds, it bogs down the CPU unnecessarily under heavy load. Aka when you are doing production, playing games, video conversion, etc. Stuff that puts the cpu at a heavy load. There is a reason why servers and high end machines that are needed for raw power have that piece of feature turned off. It should be off in most instances, unless you NEVER put your machine at or near load. If you play games, you are running your machine at or near load. /end |
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| Omega_Blue |
another sidenote- with my i7, it does get quite warm (only when heavily gaming of course). supposedly since they changed the architecture of the processor, it's supposed to run faster, but at lower temps than equivalent processors. i didn't notice a difference. runs just as hot as my last two laptops.
the only saving point is that the vent is on the side instead of the bottom with my current one, and it's quite wide and pushes a ton of air. i'm concerned about what'll happen once the fan starts pissing out though. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Uh, I am not talking about overclocking or even adding more power. The point was that Hyperthreading, for how "great" it sounds, it bogs down the CPU unnecessarily under heavy load. Aka when you are doing production, playing games, video conversion, etc. Stuff that puts the cpu at a heavy load. There is a reason why servers and high end machines that are needed for raw power have that piece of feature turned off. It should be off in most instances, unless you NEVER put your machine at or near load. If you play games, you are running your machine at or near load. /end |
That goes back to a previous point though. If you code a program from scratch and optimise it for hyperthreading, it will run better. The issue with the slow downs is the inability of most current programs to use the technology properly. |
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