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| Sushipunk |
The photography is awesome.
Can't help but think that they're somewhat cruel though. The chick with the fishing line dangling? Wtf.
Beautiful dogs, in any case. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
The dogs are bred to run and pull. Nothing cruel about it. They love it. Its like any working dog.
I look at my dog, and if he isn't doing something thats somehow related to controlling an object or that could be related to herding then he doesn't look that happy. He even tries to herd the cats, nipping at their heels and nudging them with his nose. We never taught him anything like that, he just has a natural herding instinct. Same with our last Corgi, and all the Corgis I have ever met.
Dogs retain their working traits EXTREMELY well and it becomes their purpose. Eat, drink, bark, work, reproduce, thats all they care about. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Dogs retain their working traits EXTREMELY well and it becomes their purpose. Eat, drink, bark, work, reproduce, thats all they care about. |
See bold^
They shouldn't have to. Their 'love of work' is simply a reflection on humans' 'love of lazy'.
I am, of course, a total hypocrite. My love of beef/lamb/chicken/whatever completely disregards animal cruelty.
Dogs like these seem more like companions , more than 'stock' though, so my hypocrisy may have some boundaries. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
See bold^
They shouldn't have to. Their 'love of work' is simply a reflection on humans' 'love of lazy'.
I am, of course, a total hypocrite. My love of beef/lamb/chicken/whatever completely disregards animal cruelty.
Dogs like these seem more like companions , more than 'stock' though, so my hypocrisy may have some boundaries. |
Yea, but to these dogs its not work to them, its their life. Its what they want to do, they love it. They love to ing get out there and pull loads. Its literally in their blood.
Originally it was laziness/need for pack animals, but really since then its been just natural for the dogs. I mean we have been training dogs to sled for thousands of years. |
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| kadomony |
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| aquila |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
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That truly deserves it's own variant of WTF. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Yea, but to these dogs its not work to them, its their life. Its what they want to do, they love it. |
How the could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'.
This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs.
A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.
"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy. Now fetch the stick. GOOD DOG! You do just what I tell you to! So cute!"
Cat Version:
"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy"
" off, I'll do my own thing until I'm ready"
I think if a dog likes you, then you have to wonder how much of the 'love' is obedience. If a cat likes you, then it actually likes you :p |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
How the could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'.
This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs.
A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.
"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy. Now fetch the stick. GOOD DOG! You do just what I tell you to! So cute!"
Cat Version:
"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy"
" off, I'll do my own thing until I'm ready"
I think if a dog likes you, then you have to wonder how much of the 'love' is obedience. If a cat likes you, then it actually likes you :p |
Working dogs are different from other dogs. They are much more intelligent, fit, dogs. They are bred for their ability to learn and be good at specific tasks. Like I said, if my dog isn't doing something related to the skill sets found in herding then he gets antsy or looks bored and depressed. Soon as you let him out in the yard and you kick a soccer ball around he goes ing ape, nipping trying to nudge it away from you, etc and he is in his element and looks totally content. Its because thats their hunt.
Training working dogs replaces the thrill of the hunt and the kill with the thrill of the job. They equate their job with their meals and their job with their human/peer dog packs.
Other dogs, lap dogs, etc, that are bred for companionship only are much like you describe. Their obedience is simple minded and their hunt has been replaced by docility and temperament. They have been bred to serve no real purpose. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Working dogs are different from other dogs. They are much more intelligent, fit, dogs. They are bred for their ability to learn and be good at specific tasks. |
Dogs are bred for shape, ability and size, nothing else.
Their temperament and perceived 'intelligence' is completely down to how they're trained by someone, as to being best suited for tasks and tricks it really comes back to the breed and what its ability is best suited, at heart their behaviour is simply a few steps removed from a feral dog because its conditioned by domestication.
I've had a big Rottweiler cross I used to look after (or maybe the other way around) with the sweetest disposition that you'd ever meet that would play with kids and safe for anyone to be around even off a leash, of course if directed or someone was in her territory that wasn't supposed to be there, she'd just destroy them.
Because that's just what she was trained to do and she was bred to be big enough to take down a human being and literally tear strips off them. So you can teach a working dog to be a pet if you invest the time and effort to do it.
On the other end of the spectrum I've met other assorted dogs owned by the knuckle dragging, useless idiot end of the human breed that where dangerous and essentially useless because they'd never been trained properly and their owners where too stupid to do it. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| if i have to work then ing dogs should too stu :mad: en bludging canines. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
How the could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'.
This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs.
A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.
"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy. Now fetch the stick. GOOD DOG! You do just what I tell you to! So cute!"
Cat Version:
"Come here, boy, oh yeah, good boy"
" off, I'll do my own thing until I'm ready"
I think if a dog likes you, then you have to wonder how much of the 'love' is obedience. If a cat likes you, then it actually likes you :p |
Sorry Stu, but that's utter bull. A dog can be the most disobedient little in the world and yet still show great love for its owner. Dogs have a pack instinct by nature, descendent from wolves, and so they naturally bond with their family members. Wildcats, by contrast, are much more solitary, so a cat's tendency towards independence is genetic.
Furthermore, I think Nou's bang on the money in saying dogs retain their love of activities they're bred for. My dog is a labrador and he loves retrieving more than you can imagine. I've sat throwing a ball for him for about two hours while talking and he brought it back with the same enthusiasm each time. Often, if you don't take him on, he'll actively start whining and nuzzling you. That isn't a well-behaved pet playing fetch because he's been taught to, that's a dog who really loves retrieving. |
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