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Russia's Occupation In Georgia
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| Comrade Stalin |
| Shouldn't have ed with Russia. Saakashvili made a huge miscalculation when trying to take over Ossetia. |
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| DANCESTORM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
Shouldn't have ed with Russia. Saakashvili made a huge miscalculation when trying to take over Ossetia. |
First of all what a f#ck needs Russia...- Osettia is our territory and what we want we can make.
Second Saakashvili is president of georgia an then he tryied to take over separative groupings-(separative groupings - they allday shot gun to georgian people)
and last Stalin was georgian. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DANCESTORM
First of all what a f#ck needs Russia...- Osettia is our territory and what we want we can make. |
It isn't your territory. They declared their independence just like Georgia in 1990, and they obviously don't want to be Georgian.
| quote: | | Second Saakashvili is president of georgia an then he tryied to take over separative groupings-(separative groupings - they allday shot gun to georgian people) |
Saakashvili knew damn well what the Russian response would be. And he chose the Olympics of all to stage his suicidal invasion. Let Ossetia go. This seems to be more about hatred of Russia than it is about crushing Ossetian sovereignty. Don't you see how this conflict has moved your country back 5-10 years? |
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| DANCESTORM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
It isn't your territory. They declared their independence just like Georgia in 1990, and they obviously don't want to be Georgian. |
First of all according your posts you don't know the history of georgia. This territory which you call "Osetia" always was "SAMACHABLO" and it was and will be the part of georgia. It will be same if Russia will declared independence of "Braiton Beach (New York)". And according of recognition of Samachablo and Afxazia by Russians will be destructive for Russia. Bashkirian, Tatarstan,Ingushia,Daghestan and so on. sooner or later those republics will make just demand about independence. What Russia will ask them about this? (Kill all people - like they made in Chechnya)
Second-this war was satarted by Russia 2 centure ago and they renewed this again. Russia always wanted that Georgia must be his slave. If you think war started Georgia what can you ask about this question: How Russia's all military forces was allocated in Samachablo so fast?
If you want detail info about this war you can see this Documentary movie (Language is Russian). It was made by russians.
http://www.iptv.ge/movies/45-docume...russian-lessons |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by DANCESTORM
and last Stalin was georgian. |
That's what makes the first reply to this thread so awesome :stongue:
Sorry, Dancestorm, I really have nothing to add to this discussion, but I'm glad someone from Georgia decided to step in and share their views with us :) |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DANCESTORM
First of all according your posts you don't know the history of georgia. This territory which you call "Osetia" always was "SAMACHABLO" and it was and will be the part of georgia. It will be same if Russia will declared independence of "Braiton Beach (New York)". And according of recognition of Samachablo and Afxazia by Russians will be destructive for Russia. Bashkirian, Tatarstan,Ingushia,Daghestan and so on. sooner or later those republics will make just demand about independence. What Russia will ask them about this? (Kill all people - like they made in Chechnya) |
The UN grants nations the right of self-determination. The Ossetians are not Georgians, and don't want to be Georgian. Your country is just wasting time, resources, and lives, in a futile attempt to take over Ossetia. Your New York analogy really isn't that comparable to that of South Ossetia.
| quote: | | Second-this war was satarted by Russia 2 centure ago and they renewed this again. Russia always wanted that Georgia must be his slave. If you think war started Georgia what can you ask about this question: |
It's pretty well known that it was the Georgians who on August 7 launched a massive artillery bombardment of Tskhinvali. There is absolutely NO conclusive evidence that Russia was invading the country before the George artillery attack.
| quote: | | How Russia's all military forces was allocated in Samachablo so fast? |
Easy. Russia and Ossetia built up their military forces in response to the Georgian buildup. It's not like this war started out of the blue. Russia knew what George was up to. This war was in the works months before it started. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
The UN grants nations the right of self-determination. |
There is something completely and utterly wrong about this statement. The right of self-determination is not something that is granted by bureaucrats. It is a right that free people across the world enjoy when they realize that no government can legally deprive them of their God-given right to exist and do what they please so long as it doesn't violate the rights of others.
The U.N. is a toothless, bordering on meaningless entity. |
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| Comrade Stalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
There is something completely and utterly wrong about this statement. The right of self-determination is not something that is granted by bureaucrats. It is a right that free people across the world enjoy when they realize that no government can legally deprive them of their God-given right to exist and do what they please so long as it doesn't violate the rights of others.
The U.N. is a toothless, bordering on meaningless entity. |
Well of course that nation must exercise their self-determination. It's pretty obvious that South Ossetia is certainly doing that, in 2008, and in 1991. |
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| Moongoose |
This is basically how other people see it.
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| Comrade Stalin |
| I hope to God Georgia doesn't join NATO...:nervous: |
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| DANCESTORM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
The Ossetians are not Georgians, and don't want to be Georgian. Your country is just wasting time, resources, and lives, in a futile attempt to take over Ossetia. Your New York analogy really isn't that comparable to that of South Ossetia. |
Also Chechnians are't Russians - Remember this. And also if chinese people who live in russian territory decleare independence, what Russia will do? (We know about this wery well-kill them as Chechnians). Ossetians with help of Russia got separatian groups. In Samachablo there were lived so many georgian people - and now they are refuges. Do you know how many refuges we have from Samachablo (Afxazia)-half million refuges. And do you know how many lives in Samachablo(Afxazia) now? - 60000 afxazian and 18000 in Samachablo. who made etnical clearnese in those territorys? I think you know this very well. and this half million people never accommodate this situation, they need their houses.
P.S. Have you watched the movie, which i gave to you?
| quote: | | It's pretty well known that it was the Georgians who on August 7 launched a massive artillery bombardment of Tskhinvali. There is absolutely NO conclusive evidence that Russia was invading the country before the George artillery attack. |
You don't know the real facts. During two weeks separatist groups 24 hour shoot from various guns to georgian villages and diead some people. and during this Russia helped to Ossetian's goverment to take women and childs from Cxinvali. and also Russian tanks were crossing georgian board. All this was pure provocation
[/QUOTE]Easy. Russia and Ossetia built up their military forces in response to the Georgian buildup. It's not like this war started out of the blue. Russia knew what George was up to. This war was in the works months before it started. [/QUOTE]
before 2008 russia recognize territorial wholenes of georgia!! i think you know this. this means that russian was make annexation of georgian sovereign teritory before 2008.08.07!! this fact which you decleare show all world how brutal and wicked forces are in had of russian gouvernment. they (russian KGB rulers)planed all this brutal ections against GEORGIAA!! i think you are not fool, you must analyse which side is right and which is false.
think about this: how can so small country as georgia can start war against RUSSSIA?
| quote: | | Comrade Stalin I hope to God Georgia doesn't join NATO... |
Best regard from Comrade BERIA (Lavrenty pavlovich)
******** sucks to be person like you my darling. |
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