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First post...Trance newbie =D long post but please help!
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| Showtime |
Hey all, my first post i'm fresh meat =D I apologise if theres no real structure to my post..Just a broad post really..
Well, I've only just recently started to listen to trance, a matter of weeks and quickly realized my favourite type being 'uplifting/epic', think andy blueman style. Anything from the Future sound of Egypt shows really...A example of my favourite songs so far and the style i'm trying to produce are Andy Blueman - Sea Tides, Kelly Andrew - Julietta, Sean Tyas - Ivy, Ciro Visone - Sunset at Luminosity Beach, Arctic Moon - True Romance. No idea if they're ''respected'' or not (rap music for example is notorious for hating certain artists) but I enjoy them. I'm interested if anyone has suggestions on other artists similar I can check out/study.
I've been producing rap/pop/r'n'b on FL for around a year and a half, with a 25 key midi controller, and crap headphones, but I'm trying to branch out and start producing my own uplifting stuff because I enjoy making it so far, so I'm wondering is there any advice you can give a total beginner to trance music like me? Any e-books, books or tutorials you can suggest that are actually relevent to the style i'm trying to produce?
While producing my own the breakdown seems the easiest part for me, I struggle to make the intro/build up interesting at all, tbh even I get bored with 2-4 minutes of a drumbeat just adding percussion every so often, and I expect most people will to, so any advice on that? I personally do skip intros to some trance songs cuz for me a short intro, breakdown and climax is perfect...so yeah. Also, I'm struggling to keep organised with so many layers, and keep the track 'flowing', it sounds so easy when you listen to trance but it really isn't.
Few newbie questions. Hope it's understandable...
When making them epic pads, I find if I copy paste the same 'blocks of chords' using 3 sounds (example Choir, Strings and a Pad sound) it sounds...too much? Do you need to play one or two notes with each sound, like...a C major chord for example, rather than playing c3, c5, e5 and g5 on every instrument, would I play c3 and e3 on the strings, e4 and g4 as a pad, and the choir at e5 and g5? really hope that makes sense...?
Also, what are some good trance rules regarding chord progressions, arppreggios etc? I understand I'll be told 'trance is music, and music has no rules', BUT, same as jazz sounds like jazz, heavy metal sounds like heavy metal, theres a reason uplifting trance all has a similar feel , so there must be lose rules to follow..?
And quick guides for mixing correctly? again, I know every mix is different depending on the sounds, BUT working with so many synths I'd at least wanna clean it up the best I can, without going into trance music enginnering or paying for mastering services as I'm still new..
If you can help me that would be great, if anyone has any general advice or basic hints every trance producer should know, share your knowledge =D I'll post some 'examples' of my work soon..
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
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| floyd741 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Showtime
'trance is music, and music has no rules' |
Why is it that everybody seems to think music has no rules? Is music theory really so obscure a concept? |
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| Kysora |
Is it really so hard to believe that people attempting to create music for the first time might not have a previous understanding of music theory? I'd honestly be surprised if you never once thought music didn't follow any "rules", though if you did congrats to you.
You're asking a lot of generic, basic questions at the same time so expect any answers you get to have the same distinction. All I can say is keep working at it and don't get discouraged when you can't get your tracks to sound like Blueman's, and you'll get a lot of the answers you're looking for. Most people here didn't learn what they know through "e-books" or tutorials. |
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| Energy_3 |
Your asking for someone to hand it to you the answers you seek (there are many ways in which outcomes can be sought, which im sure you know). But,
There are numerous tutes on youtube, even some nice vid/tutoritals in the pinned section just above with most containing very useful information.
As one has said persist, chip away at it, and apply new ideas |
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| Energy_3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by floyd741
Why is it that everybody seems to think music has no rules? Is music theory really so obscure a concept? |
A foundation applies to everything in life, even music, i agree here,
I think some people tend to think generally speaking that if they have advanced in some manner with music without any theory they maintain it holds little relevance, not all im sure think this..., |
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| EddieZilker |
Snatch the pebble from my open palm.
When you do so, you will be ready to make epic up-lifting, mega-trance.
Until then, you must follow the path that has been followed by those who came before you.
There is no try.
There is only do.
Do to have the experience of doing.
And in so doing...
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| DigiNut |
I think it's great that you've gotten into electronic music, and that you show a willingness to study and learn the central concepts to producing it.
At the same time, your post itself is kind of a mixed bag of relatively nonspecific question whose answers could either be three words long, or require several years and a stack of books to answer properly, depending on how much practical information you're looking for. It's going to be difficult to craft a suitable response to that, which is why several of the responses so far are just silly.
How about choosing your most important question out of that bunch, tell us as specifically as possible what you want to know, and we'll try to start from there.
P.S. With regards to the "similar artists" question I think you're likely to get better answers in the MD forum. |
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| IceColdWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by Showtime
theres a reason uplifting trance all has a similar feel , so there must be lose rules to follow..?
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I don't know what other people think , but to me , music has no rules. As long as it sounds good , that's all that matter. But to sound good , one must of course understand the basic and fundamental concepts of music , I mean afterall , you gonna know how chord progression works before writing a song.
The same goes for uplifting trance , to get that uplifting feel , many producers employ that 'supersaw' pad and those white noise sweep. Perhaps that's a rule , but to me it's just a essential to create that 'uplifting' feel.
I know I'm gonna be flamed , but this is just my 2 cents. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by IceColdWater
As long as it sounds good , that's all that matter. |
I don't know why everyone thinks this makes sense -- most things that sound "good" sound that way because they follow the guidelines of music theory, whether the songwriter realizes it or not. |
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