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What should be in mono in tracks? (pg. 3)
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
Started on my mono journey I can already hear improvements sounds more punchy and dynamic. Cant believe I didnt do this before.
Especially when you get a nice stereo synth over it you can really notice the stereo whereas before everything I did was washing around the stereo field whic I thought sounded better but it doesnt.
Something else I was doing was using ozone on my pre master copy of tracks and not even thinking that the stereo imager is spreading the kick bass everything. Now I am having to rethink how I do my premasters :conf: |
So true, the contrast you get when you drop a stereo pad in an otherwise mostly mono track is beautiful. |
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| djsphere |
| i don't think there are any strict rules about what should be in mono, but usually the low end as far as i know. |
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| msz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Sound
just wondering.....If you guys say to have kick/bass and all drums etc. in mono.........then why are all vengeance and other samples recorded in stereo.....even the kick drums |
it doesn't have to be at all. (waits for someone to prove me wrong) |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Sound
just wondering.....If you guys say to have kick/bass and all drums etc. in mono.........then why are all vengeance and other samples recorded in stereo.....even the kick drums |
Because vengeance are all ripped from other tracks, which are, you know, in stereo. |
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| KilldaDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Sound
just wondering.....If you guys say to have kick/bass and all drums etc. in mono.........then why are all vengeance and other samples recorded in stereo.....even the kick drums |
id be ing annoyed if i bought a track for .79p and it was in mono. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Because vengeance are all ripped from other tracks, which are, you know, in stereo. |
Boom. |
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| Crash |
With the risk of sounding like a twat i have to ask. I always look on the levels to see if the sound is in mono. And now i realise that its kind of a dumb idea.
How do i really know that my samples or synths in FL Studio is in Mono?
Edit: I think i Figured it out. Theres a stereo Separation knob in the mixer. of you turn it all the way to the right you will 100% "stereo merge" the channel.
Stereo merge... |
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| KilldaDJ |
| cant you tell the difference from mono/stereo? |
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| DJ RANN |
I think there's a few different aspects of the subject matter in this thread.
The primary is about mono sounds, i.e single channel sounds vs. stereo sounds (in some cases two mono channels representing the stereo signal).
The second is about panning - don't forget we mix in stereo (at least to achive a stereo master) so mono sounds are panned within the stereo field.
The third is about separation (between sounds).
All of these factors are considerations for what your sounds should be within a given project and all three of them interrelate.
Personally, I take the approach of traditional recording (probably becuase I record/track most days through work) so I always go back to the basic principles of mic'ing sources.
If you think about it, apart from a few specific techniques (overhead for drums, mid side for cello or acoustic guitar etc.) you use ONE mic or line per source/instrument*. That means a mono track for each one.
*unless you are working in surround in which case you'd have rear dual front and rear placement but that's a discussion for another time.
So I use the rule of thumb that most sounds would be mono, then panned in the stereo field. The final (basic) stage is separation (obviously firstly with eq, then secondary tools such as gates, compressors, limiters, ).
TBH, a good rule of thumb is the V technique for mixing (where the lower the frequency the more centered the sound (so sub bass at the bottom of the V point), but it's also the rule of thumb for source sounds.
Having said that there are always exceptions such as the wide panning of matching bass sounds (as excellently described in Andy Vax' Mixing secrets).
So basically, most sounds really should be mono, unless there is something about the sounds that truly warrants a stereo source (like a wide pad with stereo delay causing differences in the LR balance), becuase you can still place mono sounds in the stereo field to give a great stereo image.
It also gives you much more control to later add stereo FX to your mono sounds or groups^, without the clutter and mud of layering stereo FX over sounds that are already stereo or have built in stereo FX.
I think one of the problems is that so many softsynths these days are by default stereo (or loaded on stereo tracks from people not knowing better) and also have so many internal FX (many stereo) to give them that big sound.
The main thing to remember is that we mix and master in stereo, but our tracks can be made nearly entirely from mono sources - it's the other factors such as placement, panning, separation and FX that contribute to a wall balanced stereo image. |
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| msz |
| personally i like to limit my artistic creativity. Lawlz |
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| Kthought |
| I have migrated to using nearly all mono stems, and well balanced and narrow when going stereo. For alot of the same reasons posted already, but i mainly love the headroom availability it leaves for my FX, and directional reverb gel in the mix. One overbearing stereo instrument can literally suffocate the atmosphere. It can make the difference of a high sweep coming "from left to right" to "from the clouds" so to speak. |
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| Crash |
| quote: | Originally posted by KilldaDJ
cant you tell the difference from mono/stereo? |
Well, yes i can. But i want to KNOW...you know? |
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