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Silver Lining (CD 1-2) - mixed by Matt McWhirter (pg. 2)
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| Benjamin DuBose |
I'm about to listen to it working out ;)
My only issue with the mixes are that there not real. What i mean by real is there not recorded while actually dj'ing.
If you gonna use a sequencing program to make your dj mixes then i would like to see it done in Ableton and be prob shorter mixes and then use the effects within Ableton and Also use some of the loops with it that come in the program As well and maybe even add some Synth patches as well the customize your set and put a Mathias touch on it. Im sorry i just dont feel dj sets that are just put together in a sequencing program like cubase or whatever.
I feel if your gonna use a program like that to make a mix then it needs to be more much more than just 2 tracks being mixed together over 30 seconds to 2 minutes or however long.
That being said i know you don't have your own stuff but you can always call me and i can come over and you can record a real dj set on my equipment. Or like the Lizard said we can record it at the Campos Studio during a BBQ shinagins. :p
My Favorite dj mixes that are done on a sequencing program have always been Armin's year mixes. I just like how he puts it together. You hear the good parts of the songs and throw out the rest usually. |
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| Matthias |
| quote: | Originally posted by Benjamin DuBose
I'm about to listen to it working out ;)
My only issue with the mixes are that there not real. What i mean by real is there not recorded while actually dj'ing. |
Yes, every mix I have released after 2006 has been engineered. With the exception of my Colombia mix which was recorded live.
Without going into great detail, I am and have been perfectly cpable of recording mixes that everyone on here has enjoyed when using the CDJ 1000s, I've used the first model ones from 2002 to 2007. The only difference is that recording live gives me the benefit of using the mixer's effects...as I have had also 5 years of practice on a DJM 600 and like using the echo effects to subtle augment the breakdowns..Ben you may of seen me toying with this at the MK Ultra gig :)
The only other difference is that it only take me 80 minutes to record an 80 minute set, and another hour to convert it to MP3 and post on the web. Mixes such as these, took every waking moment of a weeks time, because of the level of detail I go into to get it sounding the way I wish. It isn't foolproof...and rather than try to explain my methods using the various software and plug-ins..I would be more than happy to show anyone who had questions.
The advantage that engineering a mix give me over a recorded mix is sound quality. The audio degrades when it goes from a CDJ to a mixer into the recording software or device, etc. And sometimes the recording may clip or distort if the volume gets to loud and the recorder doesn't have a compressor setup.
When I make a mix, first of all I buy ALL of my tracks in WAV format. I like beatport because almost every track is available in WAV.
Sonar 8.5 is my main program for engineering the mixes. It allows you to convert all the WAVs to 32bit 192khz during the entire process so no sound quality is lost.
In short, when I engineer mixes..I am not trying to display my technical skills of beatmatching, phrasing, etc. Rather I try to get a mix as close to flawless in continuity as possible. When I listen to a mix, the slightest inconsistency bugs the living out of me, so mainly I make these mixes for myself to have a sort of seemless soundscape to enjoy listening to my favorite tracks while going and coming from work. I choose to share these mixes with everyone else who would enjoy hearing them :) Make no mistake..I can achieve the same results live, and I plan to demonstrate this come April 24th
| quote: | Originally posted by Benjamin DuBose
If you gonna use a sequencing program to make your dj mixes then i would like to see it done in Ableton and be prob shorter mixes and then use the effects within Ableton and Also use some of the loops with it that come in the program As well and maybe even add some Synth patches as well the customize your set and put a Mathias touch on it. Im sorry i just dont feel dj sets that are just put together in a sequencing program like cubase or whatever. |
I would really like you to come by and see the work I put into these mixes. They aren't simply put together, there's alot of overlaps, re-edits...I would have to show ya man. Making these mixes is a very time consuming and often frustrating process.
I would like to learn Ableton, I feel if I can learn it I could really get creative with it. I have the program but not the time to figure it out.
| quote: | Originally posted by Benjamin DuBose
I feel if your gonna use a program like that to make a mix then it needs to be more much more than just 2 tracks being mixed together over 30 seconds to 2 minutes or however long. |
However long would be a minimum of 2 minutes. If you listen to have the melodies of the mix blend from one track to another, alot of that is overlapped. The longest overlap is from tracks 12-13, 50-54min mark
| quote: | Originally posted by Benjamin DuBose
That being said i know you don't have your own stuff but you can always call me and i can come over and you can record a real dj set on my equipment. Or like the Lizard said we can record it at the Campos Studio during a BBQ shinagins. :p |
Yeah I would really love to get some practice time with the CDJs and get a feel for the mixers effects. When I had my decks I practiced non-stop, and I wouldn't want to impose. Just let me know whenever you got some free time.
| quote: | Originally posted by Benjamin DuBose
My Favorite dj mixes that are done on a sequencing program have always been Armin's year mixes. I just like how he puts it together. You hear the good parts of the songs and throw out the rest usually. |
Most of the commercial mixes are engineered in Pro-Tools to my understanding, unless they are starting to use Ableton. I use Sonar to create my edits where I remove parts of tracks I don't feel, shorten tracks from 9 minutes down to 6, reinforce the kicks/basslines from other tracks or my own. Though with the new tracks I had to use for the mix, this was the first time the tracks sounded perfectly fine..a few of em I had to remaster to bring out the mid-range a little bit.
I hope the fact I engineer mixes doesn't disappoint anyone. My goal was to create as seamless of a soundscape of the tracks I enjoy tracks to match the harmonics. The only skills I will say they showcase are in the audio engineering area. And I use those same skills when I DJ as well. I am to make my live sets as seamless as possible, and of course play tracks people will dance to :)
I think I will take Benjamen up on his offer and make Silver Lining CD02 a live recording, that way there's a comparison between the two methods ;) |
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| Matthias |
A good friend of mine has been critiquing my work ever since I started mixing 9 or so years ago. I though I would share her subjective opinion on the mix:
| quote: | | The first time I listened to it was on my commute to and from work. I liked what I heard the first time, but wanted to give the mix my full attention so I came back home the next day to critically listen to it after I got off of work. Man let me tell ya -- you did a wonderful job with this mix. It's smooth, it's melodic, it's a story man. Your ear is as fine tuned as ever. I know you can be real critical (in good and bad ways) of your mixes and how all the tracks sound when placed next to each other. Overall it's a good thing because it shows that you want to take care to give someone the ultimate listening experience every time they listen to your mixes. I actually felt your passion for music come through this mix. I am excited about CD2. Take your time on it man. |
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| Lizandrooo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matthias
A good friend of mine has been critiquing my work ever since I started mixing 9 or so years ago. I though I would share her subjective opinion on the mix: |
ill dissect your previous post on benjamin Ds comment, but id like to mention, reguardless of how much a perfectionist you try to be, your playing to sheep. not every one is going to say consider all the small bits you did, rather its going to be; i like it or i dont like it. in the mixing i didnt notice anything extraordinary but im still reviewing it. btw, live mixing isnt exciting unless you have the crowd in the recording. furthermore, djm effects are mad lame. it was proven to me when EVERY OPENING DJ AND ANDY MOOR was raping the FLANGER effect in dallas some years ago. |
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| Matthias |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lizandrooo
ill dissect your previous post on benjamin Ds comment, but id like to mention, reguardless of how much a perfectionist you try to be, |
I strive to be a perfectionist because that it a standard I have chosen to hold myself to. Not only in music but my line of work as well. It's called craftmanship in my trade...but I just call it giving a . :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Lizandrooo
your playing to sheep. not every one is going to say consider all the small bits you did, rather its going to be; i like it or i dont like it. |
Right. People will either like it or they won't. What's your point?
| quote: | Originally posted by Lizandrooo
in the mixing i didnt notice anything extraordinary but im still reviewing it. btw, live mixing isnt exciting unless you have the crowd in the recording. |
What would you consider extraordinary? The standards I set for my mixes and dj sets are sound quality and continuity. Continuity is everything ranging from alignment, EQ, harmonic mixing, and trying to make the transitions as invisible as possible. That's simply my style of mixing. As far as the tracks...I play them because I like them. If others don't, they don't. :)
Lizandro. I have nothing really to prove to anyone. Not the crowd, not the promoters, not you. My music is for anyone who simply enjoys my work. I am loyal to my own tastes and those people whom continue to ask for mixes from me and ask when I am playing out again.
I was ready to fully quit in 2006. I sold all of my DJ gear after things fell apart with Jojo and a computer virus taking out everything on my hard drives. I stopped going to events and was only going to focus on the skydiving. That was my plan. But you know why I am still doing this?
Because people asked me to. The 'sheep' wanted to hear more.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Lizandrooo furthermore, djm effects are mad lame. it was proven to me when EVERY OPENING DJ AND ANDY MOOR was raping the FLANGER effect in dallas some years ago. |
I never used the flange, ever. I also never use a crossfader, just the individual line-faders. I do agree with you the flange is a cheesy effect which is why I steer clear of it. I only use the echo setting around the 230 mark only when its timed to the 8th notes of a track...but verrry subtly, you would only recognize the use of it if you were very familiar with the source tracks. |
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| Lizandrooo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matthias
I strive to be a perfectionist because that it a standard I have chosen to hold myself to. Not only in music but my line of work as well. It's called craftmanship in my trade...but I just call it giving a . :) |
Giving a matthias ? living the life you live giving a ?
| quote: | | Originally posted by Matthias Right. People will either like it or they won't. What's your point? |
My point is that you emphasize on how you spend great lengths to edit your dj sets when your going to get one of two outcomes. Now if you want to play for sheep then why bother to explain how you tweek and peak your mixes ? since theyre sheep do they care of your so called "engineering" ?
| quote: | | Originally posted by Matthias What would you consider extraordinary? The standards I set for my mixes and dj sets are sound quality and continuity. Continuity is everything ranging from alignment, EQ, harmonic mixing, and trying to make the transitions as invisible as possible. That's simply my style of mixing. As far as the tracks...I play them because I like them. If others don't, they don't. :) |
What do i consider extraordinary ? hmmm maybe sander Ks work. Simple, Effective yet at times can seem innovative.
| quote: | Originally posted by Matthias Lizandro. I have nothing really to prove to anyone. Not the crowd, not the promoters, not you. My music is for anyone who simply enjoys my work. I am loyal to my own tastes and those people whom continue to ask for mixes from me and ask when I am playing out again.
I was ready to fully quit in 2006. I sold all of my DJ gear after things fell apart with Jojo and a computer virus taking out everything on my hard drives. I stopped going to events and was only going to focus on the skydiving. That was my plan. But you know why I am still doing this?
Because people asked me to. The 'sheep' wanted to hear more. |
The sheep asked this, eh ?
| quote: | | Originally posted by Matthias I never used the flange, ever. I also never use a crossfader, just the individual line-faders. I do agree with you the flange is a cheesy effect which is why I steer clear of it. I only use the echo setting around the 230 mark only when its timed to the 8th notes of a track...but verrry subtly, you would only recognize the use of it if you were very familiar with the source tracks. |
listen man, re read that comment and notice my example was flanger and my point was djm effects are lame. |
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| Benjamin DuBose |
Navy vs. Marines in full effect LOL
Reminds me of a movie when a Coast Guard guy walks into a Navy Bar. And the s h i t hits the fan LOL.
We should all just be glad that we have EDM to listen to still.
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| Matthias |
| Good grief... lol |
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| civicstyle |
| Will dl at the gunits pad manana so we have the mix to listen to over the weekend... |
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| Matthias |
I'm not going to respond to any of the above, I'm too tired to go into this and I don't feel I have to defend anything I do to anyone.
Here's the bottom line Lizandro and take it anyway you want to. I get that you don't feel my mixes or really have anything postive to say about any of my work. With that said, I DONT CARE if you don't like my work. I don't care if anyone in particular doesn't like it. If people aren't feeling what I do, then it simply isn't for them. There are no absolutes in music, that's why there is a wide diversity and variety of sun-genres and arists that all have their fan base.
My music is for those who wish to hear it, and by all means your opinion as well as anyone's is welcome in critiquing it. YOU however, apparently have a personal problem with me that exists outside of my music, and unlike a real man haven't come to me about it to resolve it.
I had alot of respect for you Lizandro. Your devotion to your physical training and the completion of the ultra-marathon is extremely praise-worthy. You desire to go with BUD/s training and I tried to give a bit of advice how to get through Hell Week, and not make the same mistake I did of going through it in the winter time (Basic Reconnaissance Course in Coronado is very similar to BUD/s).
But what respect I had for you may of been in error. So on here, rather than critiques I get attempts to attack not only my music but my credibility. So I make drunken posts. I don't take anything on the internet seriously. My music I do however, and take alot of pride in making it sound the way I do. You are a prima donna that I see believe his opinions in music are superior to everyone else's. You are an elitist similar to the tards that if you are not spinning minimal, house, techno and drum n bass, other's music is inferior. Just as I went to great lengths behind my work, you went to great lengths to let me know how much you don't like my music, when all that had to be said was a simple "Sorry man, I just dont feel your stuff" and leave it at that. :) Respond to all this however you want, talk all kinds of , take everything I say out of context, its whatever you want to do.
... and thanks for keeping my thread bumped.:tongue2 |
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| Matthias |
| With all that said, still working on CD2. I do very much appreciate the responses I have gotten whether on here or facebook. |
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