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is israel poking a beehive ??? (pg. 5)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by jad
i'm definitely getting back to this tomorrow |
Thanks for the heads up on that. |
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| Abercrombie |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYK007
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dell laptop repair |
case closed!
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Satchel
I agree with much of what Diginut has said. People often blindly accuse Israel of their actions without thought or regard to what is actually going on there. Visit the region and you may have a very different view of things. Israel is building these new settlement in Jerusalem, the Capitol of Israel. Jerusalem will never be given up in any peace agreement. The government is building to accommodate growth in an area that is disputed but will NEVER be given up. They are acting as a responsible municipal government to accommodate the housing needs of the city. If it was a further expansion into the West Bank than I could see it being more of an issue. Anti-Israel lobbyists are trying to make a big deal over nothing.
All this talk about the oppression of the Palestinians by the Israelis is over-hyped. The Israeli Defense Forces take extreme cautions to try and minimize civilian casualties. They warn building days in advance of bombings. They drop pamphlets informing civilians of future military actions. Do you think that the US Forces warned civilians in Iraq before entering a town? Unlikely. If you talk to Israelis, you will know that they want peace badly but not in lieu of their safety.
Every country has a right to defend themselves. What do you think would happen if San Diego was bombed by Mexican Militants and their citizens were constantly under a barrage of rockets. There would be a response, and I guarantee it would make Israel's actions seem minuscule. I am just saying that there is blind support for the Palestinians and bias against Israel generated by the media. Look into how other Arab nations and Plasetinian Leaders have treated the Palestinian People in the past and present. It may shock you. Start with Black September. Then check out how Yasser Arafat's wife is living off of all the money he stole from his people.
“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us” Golda Meir, ex-Israeli PM |
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hmm where should I even begin with this guy??:eyespop: |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
hmm where should I even begin with this guy??:eyespop: |
lol, easy on the n00b :toocool: |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
hmm where should I even begin with this guy??:eyespop: |
You should bomb his house. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
You should bomb his house. |
na I'll leave that to you. |
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| Angx |
My question is for the U.N. WHY THE FUUUCK does Israel have Nukes???? Why hasn't any one stepped in to see what they are hiding??
As for the USA its about time they grew a pair of balls. Considering that the Israelies have most of the polliticians in their pocket how far will Obama get? |
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| risklevel |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Figures don't lie (although these ones are wrong), but liars can figure.
First of all, the actual number of terrorist-related deaths in Israel during the past 10 years is about 1200, with about 2/3 of those being civilians, and another 8000 wounded. (Source - and please don't be a loser and scream "bias", there's a detailed account of every incident that can be cross-checked with media sources)
Second, everyone in Palestine is a "civilian" - that is the problem. There is no Palestinian military or security force. Terrorists are lumped into the same category as innocent bystanders, they wear civilian clothes and even hide in densely-populated civilian locations while they fire rockets. So it should come as no surprise that there are a high number of "civilian" deaths in Palestine.
Third, the fact that the Israeli death count is lower than the Palestinian death count is not for lack of trying on the part of Palestinians; the fact that they are less effective at actually killing their targets (Israelis in the border towns are never more than 5 minutes away from a bomb shelter) does not make them any less responsible.
So thank you for the incorrect and ultimately very uninteresting second-hand statistic. |
First of all it is quite remarkable how you expect an offcial website of the Israeli foreign ministry to be 'unbiased'. I mean this is the same foreign ministry that has not accepted the killing of a Hamas member Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai. I guess you will also argue that it was a preemptive strike and was necessary. What is more unbelievable is that although Mossad broke a hundred laws the opposition leader Tzipi Livni applauded the murder. The hypocrisy of it all is stunning. How do you think people will sympathise with Israeili policies or Netanyahu when they use fake foreign passports for murder?
Regarding the current settlement issue. It is not only refreshing but actually extremely encouraging to see that finally one of the US regimes has enough courage to stand upto Israel. Without a two state solution there will be no peace. Israel has to realise that, instead of bulldozing Palestinian homes and building new Jewsih settlements. By continuing to build new settlements Israel has shown a very negative aspect of it's commitment to peace. Obama and the US has not taken this issue lightly and finally Israel is feeling the pressure of it's actions.
You might be current on Israeli politics but if you think that America will not improve its relations with Iran or the Arab world by taking a stand against Israel you are sadly mistaken. You then do not know why America is looked upon so negatively in the entire Muslim world.
In the end you are right, Israel will not halt the building of its new settlements but they will lose their greatest support, the US.
Without a two state solution there will be no peace |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by risklevel
First of all it is quite remarkable how you expect an offcial website of the Israeli foreign ministry to be 'unbiased'. I mean this is the same foreign ministry that has not accepted the killing of a Hamas member Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai. I guess you will also argue that it was a preemptive strike and was necessary. What is more unbelievable is that although Mossad broke a hundred laws the opposition leader Tzipi Livni applauded the murder. The hypocrisy of it all is stunning. How do you think people will sympathise with Israeili policies or Netanyahu when they use fake foreign passports for murder?
Regarding the current settlement issue. It is not only refreshing but actually extremely encouraging to see that finally one of the US regimes has enough courage to stand upto Israel. Without a two state solution there will be no peace. Israel has to realise that, instead of bulldozing Palestinian homes and building new Jewsih settlements. By continuing to build new settlements Israel has shown a very negative aspect of it's commitment to peace. Obama and the US has not taken this issue lightly and finally Israel is feeling the pressure of it's actions.
You might be current on Israeli politics but if you think that America will not improve its relations with Iran or the Arab world by taking a stand against Israel you are sadly mistaken. You then do not know why America is looked upon so negatively in the entire Muslim world.
In the end you are right, Israel will not halt the building of its new settlements but they will lose their greatest support, the US.
Without a two state solution there will be no peace |
you missed the part about US is pissed at Israel only because of timing of the new Jerusalem settlements announcement... |
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| hardcore trancer |
Funny how Israel always bitch and moans why everyone hates them etc etc. Perhaps they should have a look at their own actions from the last 10-15 years.
It will be interesting to see how things will play out with this so called new U.S. pressure. Either they gonna bomb the out of Gaza yet again or they'll continue building more and more houses. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Funny how Israel always bitch and moans why everyone hates them etc etc. Perhaps they should have a look at their own actions from the last 10-15 years.
It will be interesting to see how things will play out with this so called new U.S. pressure. Either they gonna bomb the out of Gaza yet again or they'll continue building more and more houses. |
the joos dont care what the rest of the world thinks of them... until someone actually does something that matters (ie sanctions and whatnot)
deeds, not words |
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