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My "people better start buying music" rant (RANT INSIDE) (pg. 7)
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
160,000,000 people have gotten themselves into a lather over a 4/4 EDM based track. Its virtually a CLUB track. |
As much as I don't want to get into this debate, I don't see how examples of public reception to established mainstream artists has anything to do with the smaller labels that diginut is talking about. I don't think anything he said made it seem like people aren't into EDM as much as they used to (IIRC he said the opposite), or that artists can't still hit it big. |
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| cronodevir |
@DJ RANN & Storeteller
Do you think everyone thinks like that?
Also, the myth that downloaded music from a ripped source is bad quality is just that, a myth. Because you know where MOST pirated music comes from? Someone buys the record/cd/mp3 and then hosts it on a torrent site. Or p2p, or what ever flavor of file sharing they use. Ive met people in p2p networks with many gigabytes of music, and they paid for all of it. Then they dropped it into their share folder, and that was that.
If you can't acknowledge how... basically "nice" pirates have it, then I don't think you will really be able to see the impact virtual media has on the growth in revenue for music in general.
Also, youtube has probably every song ever made hosted on it, and its in a quality that people are content with. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
@DJ RANN & Storeteller
:crazy: :tongue3
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Here we go, again. :rolleyes: |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
@DJ RANN & Storeteller
Do you think everyone thinks like that?
Also, the myth that downloaded music from a ripped source is bad quality is just that, a myth. Because you know where MOST pirated music comes from? Someone buys the record/cd/mp3 and then hosts it on a torrent site. Or p2p, or what ever flavor of file sharing they use. Ive met people in p2p networks with many gigabytes of music, and they paid for all of it. Then they dropped it into their share folder, and that was that.
If you can't acknowledge how... basically "nice" pirates have it, then I don't think you will really be able to see the impact virtual media has on the growth in revenue for music in general.
Also, youtube has probably every song ever made hosted on it, and its in a quality that people are content with. |
No I don't think everyone thinks like that, just correcting your assertion that no one buys music or at least EDM. There are plenty of people who will gladly pay the $1-2 for decent track.
Just because you don't pay for it doesn't mean everyone acts the same way.
As for P2P, I don't know a single person that uses them anymore and frankly their only use is for people too cheap to buy music. Even when they were popular the quality was always hit or miss.
I (along with many other people out there and on this forum) just prefer to pay that small amount of money to have a good quality track from a reliable source.
Don't get me wrong - I have used torrent in the past download bulk amounts of tracks but if there's any I like I go buy them in wav and trash the rest.
And no youtube isn't good quality. bear in mind your on a producers forum. The quality through my monitors is on youtube. I''ll take my wav thanks. Don't assume for the behaviour of other people. I don't think your views are not as broad as you think they are. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Release medium will make pirating improbable if not impossible.
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DVD Audio? |
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| Storyteller |
Making pirating impossible is impossible :). Just about every digital product has been pirated/cracked/whatever. Cracking Cubase 5 properly is improbable. It's tons of work with the syncrosoft usb key stuff going on and most cracking talents don't think it's worth the effort.
You only make pirating music improbable by offering it for free. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| UAD seems to have a good business model on its software. Mac programs seem much much harder to come by, although that isn't simple music. As technology advances, more things need to be looked at. Your average nerd will always be able to find a way to hide things and steal software and music but there ARE ways to keep average people from doing it. Unfortunately the technology isn't there yet and if it was most people would object to it (100% internet connectivity required to listen to music and that music is checked for buying footprints) |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
(100% internet connectivity required to listen to music and that music is checked for buying footprints) |
Ubisoft tried the internet connectivity approach with one of their games, the amount of negative publicity they got for it was overwhelming. The ill-effects of trying to do something like that would be WAY worse than piracy would ever be. |
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| Storyteller |
| + the fact that it doesn't work in the context of music. Record the audio output and you've got the music yourself free of any digital rights protection whatsoever. It just doesn't work. |
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| cronodevir |
| download the content, spoof the server... having to always connect to something is as failfact as not connecting at all |
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| DJ RANN |
A way round it is what the film industry is doing now to torrents (and according to analysts it's beginning to work);
1, Get legally heavy with big name sites (this scares the occaisional downloaders as they think the IP police are coming).
2, put out hundreds of fakes for you latest release. Name them slightly differently and eventually people give up, not to mention it has an overall effect on the reliabilty of torrents.
Ok so as a small label or artist, number 1 isn't really an option unless you have a relative that is a lawyer, but number 2 could have validity and I reckon is a simple way to go about it (unless someone come up with a way to audition pirated music before you download it).
You're never going to stop someone who just simply refuses to pay, there's too many ways to get free content if you're determined enough, but the harder it is the smaller number of people are ble to access it it and the more people will go and pay the $2 for your track. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
2, put out hundreds of fakes for you latest release. Name them slightly differently and eventually people give up, not to mention it has an overall effect on the reliabilty of torrents.
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Private trackers kill that argument. |
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