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| orTofønChiLd |
If you buy a xone 22 for mixing your an idiot
Edit: if you like it so much, here place a bid. I think its more like an entry level battle mixer
ebay |
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| PivotTechno |
Have you ever been asked if you'd rather be right, or happy?
Think about it... |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| I tried mixing on it numerous times, its not even fun when you have to crank the headphone volume at maximum just to get a decent level for both cued channels. To be reasonable the mixer wasn't intended for that. If it was why have a decrease in volume when moved to the middle, wuts the point of that. Don't forget you also get distortion when the volume is at maximum, not good for clean transitions. |
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| user19503 |
| ecler have werd eq! |
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| PivotTechno |
O.k., so you've qualified that you don't like the Xone:22. Fine that you point out its inherent flaws, but that doesn't negate the fact that it isn't a battle mixer, entry or otherwise. It doesn't have an adjustable fader curve, standard for any unit that claims to be a battle mixer and it's equipped with their stock fader, rather than the conductive P&G that comes standard with the 02.
Considering I recommended the 32 as well, I'm having a hard time understanding why you're trying to argue this point with me, unless you're just hell-bent on bashing the 22 into the ground and ignored everything else in the post. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
O.k., so you've qualified that you don't like the Xone:22. Fine that you point out its inherent flaws, but that doesn't negate the fact that it isn't a battle mixer, entry or otherwise. It doesn't have an adjustable fader curve, standard for any unit that claims to be a battle mixer and it's equipped with their stock fader, rather than the conductive P&G that comes standard with the 02.
Considering I recommended the 32 as well, I'm having a hard time understanding why you're trying to argue this point with me, unless you're just hell-bent on bashing the 22 into the ground and ignored everything else in the post. |
those flaws make it a battle mixer. Allen & Heath might call it a entry level mixer to aim for more buyers but that mixer is def not for mixing.
I'm not arguing with you on if its a official battle mixer form allen & heath, that i care less about.
My Point, who makes perfect transitions when the headphone volume at maximum. If your intentions are to do a little mixing here and there and some scratching then this mixer might be for you. For serious the mixing dj the xone 32 is a better choice for 100 $ more like i said before.
Also the xone 22 doesn't even have an OFF button and button to turn off crossfader like the 32 |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Stu Cox Getting used to working around mixer oddities is actually a REALLY useful skill to have, because then you can deal with anything you might face when you play out. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
This. |
if you gonna buy a xone 22 just for that your an idiot |
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| Yoricko |
Okay right guys, I believe the only bad mixers are mixers are the ones that don't work, or the ones that doesn't work as intended.
Even some 50 bucks Gemini or Behringer are valid mixers, just that their build quality and functions is cheaply made and the mixer will fail you in no time if isn't treated with care.
Even though the Xone: 22 might have some inherent cue mix problems with the volumes, it's just a small annoyance that I am sure every mixer has a few or so. Just like the Ecler with their Mid-EQs killing a wide range of frequencies. You can either learn to overcome the limitation and see what good you can make out of it, or just not buy that particular mixer.
Anyways thanks for pointing out the cue mix problems, because I'm particularity used to headphones mixing and it would probably be quite an annoyance for myself.
The prices here in my country is pretty WEIRD and the 32 is a lot more expensive than the 22, but if I do get a chance to find one used, I would probably grab it.
Peace out,
P.S. : Anyone tried out Denon mixers? How are they compared to Pioneer, Ecler, and A&H? |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
Try for yourself and you'll see. |
I've had to do that kind of thing on loads of mixers. You just get used to adjusting to whatever you're faced with.
Look, I'm not trying to claim it's the best mixer in the world or anything, I just have a natural tendancy to play devil's advocate whenever anyone makes sweeping statements like that ;)
Of course I wouldn't suggest buying a mixer which doesn't work how you want it to. But at the same time, I've seen SO many DJs go into DJing with the approach that the equipment should fit the way they want to work, rather than the other way round. And that leads to DJs panicking and ultimately not coping when they turn up to a club and aren't faced with their beloved mixer they were told was standard (DJM600 was the classic example, tends to be the 800 now). I've witnessed up and coming DJs saying "I'm not playing on that " when they turn up to a gig and found a Xone, simply because they're not used to it - and as soon as that happens you've failed at your job as a DJ.
So I just try and encourage people to see variety in equipment as something a DJ HAS to be able to deal with, rather than a fault in design :)
Variety can be a really good thing, in fact. If the Xone:62 had cue mix, I wouldn't have learned out how to use the aux system to cue... but now I have it gives me so much more control over my cue system when I play on one. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoricko
P.S. : Anyone tried out Denon mixers? How are they compared to Pioneer, Ecler, and A&H? |
Good features, good sound quality, but the build quality isn't the best. Not as bad as Behringer though...! Probably about on par with Vestax, which a lot of people hail as being incredibly well built but tbh I think Vestax build quality has dropped a bit in recent years, particularly in their lower priced models.
I've got a DN-X1500, which I still love and don't plan to replace any time soon, but 5 or 6 years on some of the buttons are a bit temporamental and a couple of the knobs have worn down. That's nearly all bedroom use, so I certainly wouldn't install one.
People also complain that they're confusing to use - the effects are often in a sort of menu system, but once you've got used to it they're very powerful. |
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| djkatmaus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoricko
P.S. : Anyone tried out Denon mixers? How are they compared to Pioneer, Ecler, and A&H? |
I have a used DN-X1500 and a DN-X1500s and I love them. There are a few plus sides to these mixers. One is the multiple outputs and two the sound quality. When I record my sets I use the digital output. The digital output on the Denon models are a dedicated output. In other words its a pre output and takes the signal from the input faders, effects, etc but ignores the master volume.
In 2007, I went back to DJing after a 13 year hiatus. At the time I wasn't up to speed on DJ gear. When I went out looking for a mixer, I demo'd the Pioneer 600 and the Denon 1500. After about twenty minutes I bought the Denon. IMO the Denon was a much better unit because the sound quality was far more superb then the 600 and it had the digital output. Another reason of why I chose Denon, was I use there pro line stuff in studios and on the road everyday and haven't had any of their stuff fail. Heck, I still have my original dual cd players which came out in the early nineties and still work great.
I wouldn't rule out Denon at all honestly. They have always been a competitor which I feel put out a quality piece of gear. My 1500 recently came back after some rehab. I swapped all the faders, buttons, and a few knobs, plus a good cleaning and it's good as new. |
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