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| djandymac |
Ok so i have some tracks set up, and i have some return tracks set up with fx on them, my issue is when i send a track to a return im obviously getting the return track level and the sent track's level together so its louder. is there any way i can send a track to apply an effect without the level raising, like you would on a djm mixer ? any help would be great, cheers
Andy |
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| Storyteller |
| Set the effects on the return channel to 100% wet. |
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| kitphillips |
Nah that won't work.
By its nature, a send will always increase the volume of the material. Its not a mix knob, its a send, therefore it sends the audio off for processing by the return channel.
The best thing to do is to set your sends to be post mixer, get the right wet/dry mix, then just use the volume fader to control the overall volume.
I think there is some fancy routing you can do regarding inverting the phase of the original channel and running your effect 50% wet which can basically turn your send into a wet/dry knob, but I've never done it and i'm not confident enough to tell you how to make it work. |
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| djandymac |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Nah that won't work.
By its nature, a send will always increase the volume of the material. Its not a mix knob, its a send, therefore it sends the audio off for processing by the return channel.
The best thing to do is to set your sends to be post mixer, get the right wet/dry mix, then just use the volume fader to control the overall volume.
I think there is some fancy routing you can do regarding inverting the phase of the original channel and running your effect 50% wet which can basically turn your send into a wet/dry knob, but I've never done it and i'm not confident enough to tell you how to make it work. |
yeh thats wha ive now been told on the ableton forum, use a utitlity plug in and invert the phase :D |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Nah that won't work.
By its nature, a send will always increase the volume of the material. Its not a mix knob, its a send, therefore it sends the audio off for processing by the return channel. |
Why wouldn't it?
With everyday effects like delay or reverb it should be exactly what you're looking for. Setting a plugin 100% wet would leave out the source signal but just the effect itself. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Why wouldn't it?
With everyday effects like delay or reverb it should be exactly what you're looking for. Setting a plugin 100% wet would leave out the source signal but just the effect itself. |
because he's sending the original signal to the master AND to the send. so he's getting a combination of the two. i think storyteller is basically saying, send your track to SENDS ONLY, and automate the wet/dry of the effect. There are lots of ways to do it :) |
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| kitphillips |
But that defeats the purpose of using the send in the first place. The idea of a send is that you can use the same instance of a VST and have different amounts of different tracks being sent to it.
But yeah, if you ran it like that and still left the original channels volume up, then you'd still get a volume increase because its being sent to the send>master and also straight to the master, leading to a duplication of the channel basically. |
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| Storyteller |
I feel like I'm being misunderstood somehow. If one wants to use send and don't want signal duplication/aplification to occur you'll need to have a dry/wet control on effect in use, or it needs to be designed as a send effect. I don't see any problem there.
Having a reverb on 100% wet on the send does not amplify your signal it just adds the reverb. The send ammount would control the reverb volume.
Of course you can put anything on a send for the sake of being creative... |
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| Fledz |
| You're making it all complicated for no reason. Just use the volume sliders and work with the send knobs until you get the right volume. |
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| Lolo |
that's because you want to do this using sends and returns.
A send/return plumbing means that you double the signal.
What you want is send a group of tracks to an fx chain right?
Well why don't you simply route those channels you want to fx to another audio track, put the monitoring on (orange) and switch the audio in from ext in to off.
Put your chain on that channel you route everything to, and that should do the trick.
You can also put fx on the master channels.
If you fancy more volume (or even less) when you change the fx dry/wet button, you can also group the fx and map their volumes to a macro.
Actually you can do a lot using device racks and their macros to some point, and you don't even need sends or returns anymore. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
that's because you want to do this using sends and returns.
A send/return plumbing means that you double the signal.
What you want is send a group of tracks to an fx chain right?
Well why don't you simply route those channels you want to fx to another audio track, put the monitoring on (orange) and switch the audio in from ext in to off.
Put your chain on that channel you route everything to, and that should do the trick.
You can also put fx on the master channels.
If you fancy more volume (or even less) when you change the fx dry/wet button, you can also group the fx and map their volumes to a macro.
Actually you can do a lot using device racks and their macros to some point, and you don't even need sends or returns anymore. |
+1
Ableton is such a creative and intuitive program when it comes to intertwining things inside. It's drum racks, effects racks, etc. are one of a kind and if you've never used them you really, really need to check them out. If they intrigue you, dig deeper with macro controlling and some of the routings/grouping of tracks Laurent talked about above. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
I feel like I'm being misunderstood somehow. If one wants to use send and don't want signal duplication/aplification to occur you'll need to have a dry/wet control on effect in use, or it needs to be designed as a send effect. I don't see any problem there.
Having a reverb on 100% wet on the send does not amplify your signal it just adds the reverb. The send ammount would control the reverb volume.
Of course you can put anything on a send for the sake of being creative... |
Yeah it does though, because you have the signal being send through the effect + the signal being sent through the master, so the overall level of the master is higher.
Imagine another effect like a phaser, and imagine the difference between using it as a send with mix at 100% wet and using it on a track with mix 50% wet. try it and see whether you get the same level.
Pro tip: you don't;) |
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