|
Stealing kick drums from pros, how many people do this?
|
View this Thread in Original format
| DJ Robby Rox |
Countless times I've taken tracks from Mirco and opened them up in FL. I find the bpm then cut out 1 bar usually from the intro making sure no percussion or anything hits on the kick, if it hits mid beat (like half way through the kick) then I just slap a low pass env over it and walah, a great sounding kick.
The reason I started doing this was at first I would just loop a part from the intro, open my own kick drum, then go back and forth muting Mirco and trying to beef my own kick in anyway possible. Switching samples, layering, playing around with the pitch env which sometimes can help make the kick tighter and punchier. Doing a lot of different things to "tighten" up the kicks, and NO MATTER WHAT, I'd always go back to Mirco and his kicks were still SOO MUCH "tighter", not louder, but like the kick itself was just way denser. NONE of the Vengeance kicks have this "density" none from my Audio Botique set, none from my Trance Fragments pack, just NONE have this dense quality.
People here seem to say layering is the key, but layering never seems to make the samples DENSER. Maybe more punchy, maybe it helps them even break through better, but its like the inside of the kick drum, the core of where the original sample came from, will still sound soft. I can post samples of my attempts, and what I've taken from Mirco because you will def hear what I mean by their kicks being "denser", its a quality I've never been able to get.
After about 6 months of failing to get that sound, I said eff it, I'm just gonna start stealing them. Its quick, it ALWAYS sounds better, and all I care is that my kick drum sounds good, I don't particulary give a how much effort I put into that aspect of my tracks. Everything else will be original (bass/percussions) so whats the big deal? The kick drum is the spine of the track, and having a good one makes me so much more motivated to be original and thorough on other elements of the track.
So I'm basically saying I'm a producer I guess, but a producer who doesn't produce kick drums lol. I'm curious what other guys think about this, and I'm more curious how many producers have gaven up and started sampling pro kicks themselves? At this point its like if I can't get a sound I'm happy with on the kick, theres no point even trying to start a track.
Is this a more common practice then I think, and what are your personal ethics on this matter? Thanks, just curious. |
|
|
| EddieZilker |
| I steal my own drum sounds. For example, I'll take a track out of a song and lift all of the kick sounds created from various layers I've created from individual drum sounds. I've got a CD's worth of kicks, snares, SFX, hats, et al, I've lifted this way. |
|
|
| Subtle |
| Never stolen a kickdrum from another track. ^^ |
|
|
| Eric J |
Sure, I've done it. Whenever I buy new tracks, I'll go through and find naked kicks and sample them to be put in an library. I have a small library of sampled kicks that I have used in certain tracks.
Now, that doesn't mean that those kicks work well without some additional processing in the context of MY track. Every element affects the other elements, so even if I use a sampled kick, there is a good chance that I am going to need to EQ or possible compress it to make it fit in the context of my track.
As far as ethics go, I don't really find a big problem with it. First of all, half of these kicks are from sample libraries anyway, which are usually samples from other tracks (read: Vengeance). Second, even if it is a layered kick, then it is generally an amalgamation of other sampled kicks layered together. Third, sampling is a part of this music and has been from the very beginning. We've all seen those videos on YouTube where the Prodigy track is recreated from samples. One of the most famous samples ever, the Amen break, was a sample from an old funk record. Tons of house music uses samples from old disco records. The whole filter house thing in the late 90's was built on running old disco samples through a Sherman filterbank. One of the most revered production teams in EDM, Daft Punk, samples like crazy, as do so many other successful artists.
Unless you are synthesizing your own kicks, I don't really think any producer can reasonably expect NOT to have a part of their track to get sampled, and really shouldn't care. |
|
|
| orTofønChiLd |
| Another usless thread, thats great, good job robby cox |
|
|
| cronodevir |
| Dude, use a 3osc, best kick machine ever made... |
|
|
| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Dude, use a 3osc, best kick machine ever made... |
yeah fl clssic kick was what i went for untill now because i use a sample pack from a 909 best freeware pack i have all untouched ;) |
|
|
| evo8 |
| Just buy a good quality sample pack and be done with it |
|
|
| Kismet7 |
| Sampling* something that repeats a lot like a kick is not too useful. Because its been through a lot of compression and limiting already, it'll weigh down your mix, being a reocurring sound thas been through all that compression and then another master. If you're making clean sounding music, it would be a mistake. Why not just use a new kick or layer two kicks and make your own? When finding the right kick, one of the important factors for me is that the kick has not been previously processed. But if you're making hip hop or raw dirty house, it might make better sense. |
|
|
| kitphillips |
I think a lot of people do this and I don't see any moral objection.
BUT I don't do it because I find the sound quality really unacceptable. Maybe its just the couple of tracks I tried, but I gave up when I found that the noise floor seemed really quite high. I don't like extraneous noise to makes its way into my tracks, and if I moved a lowpass filter down to get rid of some of the noise, the phase shift effects started to muddy up the sound too much and removed the character that I liked to start with. |
|
|
| Waza |
| Ok I don't do it but most dance music does not come in records or cd's anymore it's all mp3 now surely you don't sample from that. |
|
|
| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Waza
Ok I don't do it but most dance music does not come in records or cd's anymore it's all mp3 now surely you don't sample from that. |
Sure, why not? Its not like I need a pristine 24-bit, 96K kick drum sample, especially when I'm just going to bitcrush it down to 8-bit anyway. |
|
|
|
|
