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Ok.. good enough for a bass tutorial or what? (pg. 2)
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| sako487 |
| Reverb on bass isnt bad at all IMO, EQing the reverb is key, cutoff from 500 and you should be good. Same with delay |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
Reverb on bass isnt bad at all IMO, EQing the reverb is key, cutoff from 500 and you should be good. Same with delay |
Thank you. Thats the one thing I always watch out for, and also having a slight predelay on the reverb to not wash out the peaks.
I personally love the way reverb sounds on bass because I tend to like the watery flowing bass lines more then the tight and dry ones. Either way as long as its not overused I don't see the problem. Its def not overused in this track because the reverb is actually only on the acid swell, not even on any of the bass to begin.
I'll take a pic of my mixer lol if any needs proof. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Honestly, I dont think I have really ever heard a "bass sweep" with a long reverb tail. Are you sure you are not attributing an elements of a track to bass when its actually something else? Or maybe thinking that a long release or decay element is reverb? |
I'm not sure what you're talking about, would you like me to cite a track? ESPECIALLY on bass sweeps/swells it usually sounds like they are saturated with reverb, and I don't think its decay or release because many times you will hear the predelay from the actual reverb when it triggers. Maybe its not "popular" but I def am hearing it in trance and personally love the way it sounds. I will have to find some tracks def before we continue on this topic..
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Surely, you are not willing to sacrifice the quality of your mix just so you can salvage a poor kick sample? I mean, find a kick that works, thats the first thing, dont just swamp it in reverb to try to cover it up. Thats the worst thing you can do.
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No what I meant is on certain elements (like the acid swell) I would rather have them reverbed so the swell doesn't push the kick down. If the swell is reverbed its usually wide enough so the kick can break through. I do this only on my swells, which is the only bass instrument in this track with reverb on it. Not sure what you mean by "swamping"... 5 out of my 6 bass aren't even going through reverb to begin.
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Have you considered that 4-6 layers for bass is a bit to much? I mean if you are having to do that much layering, maybe you need to find a better patch for the bass. Even if you have the typical low-bass, mid-bass type of bass line, that shouldn't require more than 2 instruments. I don't understand why you feel you need to layer things so much unless you are attempting to compensate for a poor choice of sound. |
No absolutely not. Especially when its the admitted standard for certain very well known pros on this board.
When I say 4-6 layers it usually means 2 layers of 3 bass. In this track the mid bass is 2 layers, a second mid bass is 2 layers, then the acid is 2 layers. And I haven't even added a sub to it yet so go figure.
And absolutely the WHOLE REASON I'm layering is to compensate for "poor sound", but I like to think of it in more optimistic terms, like "striving for a richer sound". Isn't the whole reason we layer in the first place to acheive a better sound? So how is it a bad thing now that I'm doing the same thing about 90% of good producers are (layering).
I'm sure there are some pros out there layering 8-12 sounds just for their basslines. 4-6 to me doesn't really seem like a lot.
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I would consider that finding the right sounds to start with. That will eliminate the need to do much post processing, if any. |
I agree, the problem is figuring out what a "right sound" is, or if its just some mythical phrase we throw around these forums when we can't explain how some did something wonderful... "oh.. they must have just used the 'right sounds'".
But I do agree conceptually speaking, just not technically.
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The kicks in the XFER pack are really lacking if you dont heavily process them. They are raw, so you need to apply some very precise processing to them that is extremely track-specific. Most of them are super bass heavy too, so dont expect to just drop it in there and have it work straight away. Frankly, I would recommend just finding a clean kick from a track and sampling that, make life a whole lot easier and really it wont matter in the context of an entire track. |
Yeh good call, was just begining to notice this myself. I usually actually don't use any kicks from XFER as most usually come fom vengenace. I agree with the clean kick and working from there. I have found myself the simpler/cleaner sounding kicks usually always seem to "fit" better in the end.
Thanks for the advice! Much appreciated. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by atxbigballer1
I hate Robby and i am not trying to help him in any way, but reverb on Bass?
I think reverb on bass is bad.
I think the fx he wants is dely. |
Thanks for the help... you idiot. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Thanks for the help... you idiot. |
Any time noob! |
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| Aesthetic |
| cant say anything that hasnt been said, lose the verb on the bass. the bass itself is quite good imo, very driving.. and those acid fx noises are nice too |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
Reverb on bass isnt bad at all IMO, EQing the reverb is key, cutoff from 500 and you should be good. Same with delay |
Usually, bass and reverb don't mix too well, unless you're specifically after a warehouse sound. Unfortunately, this effect results in a loss of definition among the bass regions. |
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| EddieZilker |
| I've used verb on bass. Not very much, but I have. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I've used verb on bass. Not very much, but I have. |
Yo Eddie how old are you u may know my 2 brothers and 2 sisters?
There Names are Ian, Neil, Kim, and Ira.
They lived in Mt. Pleasant, MI. |
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| EddieZilker |
Have you met my half-brother, Isaac?
He's in Austin - where I'm from. Go to Conan's. Ask for the Savage! YUM!! El Rancho isn't bad, either, if you haven't been.
No. I don't know very many people here, let alone many who've moved away. My child, however, was an honor roll student at West :D Our kids are over at MPHS, now. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Have you met my half-brother, Isaac?
He's in Austin - where I'm from. Go to Conan's. Ask for the Savage! YUM!! El Rancho isn't bad, either, if you haven't been.
No. I don't know very many people here, let alone many who've moved away. My child, however, was an honor roll student at West :D Our kids are over at MPHS, now. |
Wow your from Austin!
El Rancho, I know where it's at and had buddy's that worked there, but never been there.
You may have seen me at the mall i worked at lots of cell phone shops at Barton creek mall.(nextel stand)
You going to come back the the ATX? If you do we need to hang out and chill!
Lots of big name djs come to Austin alot now and i got to meet my Hero Markus Schulz and got a pic with Him! :) (time of my life) |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by atxbigballer1
Wow your from Austin!
El Rancho, I know where it's at and had buddy's that worked there, but never been there.
You may have seen me at the mall i worked at lots of cell phone shops at Barton creek mall.(nextel stand)
You going to come back the the ATX, if you do we need to hang out and chill!
Lots of big names djs come to Austin alot now and i got to meet my Hero Markus Schulz and got a pic with Him! :) (time of my life) |
Last time I was in Austin was in 2005. I moved here in 2006 at the end of July. Last time I was at Barton Creek Mall, cell-phones were $20.00 per minute and 200 times the size! :stongue:
I used to work on 6th Street at a ton of the meat market bars & clubs. THAT was fun (and ing scary, too). I worked at Cheer's Shot Bar right before I left, the first time. |
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