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To sell or not to sell - that is the question (pg. 3)
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| Derivative |
Keept the TI2 Keyboard. Sell the desktop if you don't need it. It has that amazing StudioLogic TP-9 keybed and lots of knobs that can send/receive CC which makes it probably the best midi controller keyboard/synth combo you can get these days.
I'm gonna sell my Juno-6 since I never use it anymore. I'm thinking of selling the Xpander too but the reason for not using it recently is kind of different. 3rd and 4th VCO are fukked but working. They just randomly go up or down a semitone and it takes like 2 hours to reach stable tuning. 4th VCF is stone dead. It also needs to be recapped since the power supply is like 26 years old or something and if it goes it'll take something expensive with it. Right now its just boxed waiting till I can go home to see my parents in the UK and I can find a synth servicing centre or something. I can't really afford repairs right now anyway. Want to sell my Virus B desktop and replace it with a Virus kB since its just the best semi weighted keyboard I've ever used. |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
Keept the TI2 Keyboard. Sell the desktop if you don't need it. It has that amazing StudioLogic TP-9 keybed and lots of knobs that can send/receive CC which makes it probably the best midi controller keyboard/synth combo you can get these days. |
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to sell my Virus B desktop and replace it with a Virus kB since its just the best semi weighted keyboard I've ever used. |
try Roland a-70, you won't wanna touch anything else. The closest to it would be Kawai K5000s or Yamaha an1x |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
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I thought the TI keys were the nicest I've played but I guess you are using that A-70 for midi keyboard duty huh?
| quote: | | try Roland a-70, you won't wanna touch anything else. The closest to it would be Kawai K5000s or Yamaha an1x |
I'm not sure its a good idea having another toy around. I already have a Virus B rack which I know how to program so I can deduct whatever I can sell that for from a B Keyboard. |
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| Rusty O'Hara |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
both Jupiter and elka will most likely remain - Elka took me 5 years to find and cost me load to import it from Greece and then fix it up. Jupiter 8 is the third one I ever owned, having regretted selling it 2x before. This particular one is in "as new" shape - there's not a single scratch or nick on it. I figure in the end, it will be these 2 + some VA left, and pretty much everything else gone. |
Cool, I'm still after a Jupiter 8 but :stongue:
Re: Elka Synthex. If you ever do feel like selling it, send me a pm, and I'll put you in touch with the guy. He's a synth nut / collector. |
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| Derivative |
| The prices Jupiter-8s are commanding these days are stupid. The last one that I saw actually sell was for something like 4.5k euros or something crazy like that. Now people are listing them close to 6k euros. Thats just insane... |
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| aNYthing |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
The prices Jupiter-8s are commanding these days are stupid. The last one that I saw actually sell was for something like 4.5k euros or something crazy like that. Now people are listing them close to 6k euros. Thats just insane... |
I'll play a devils advocate for a sec - I paid $5000 for mine and I thought I got a deal... The one I had before this one was also In a very nice shape and it sold for $6000 on ebay . A guy actually flew from holland to US to pick it up. Thing is - they ain't making these bad boys any more and old ones in good shape are hard to come by. Besides, did you see what CS80 goes for these days? I see them average 10k - 12k...
Every time I see a Jupe sell for something outrageous, I hear people say that this is crazy. And very next time, it fetches as much or close to it, up/down. I paid $2300 fory firs one, back in 2003 - and that was higher than $2k those averaged. I sold it for $3500. Next one I snatched with a snipe for $3200 - but it was near mint outside. Inside, was a different story - I paid $1200 to fix it several times and decided to sell it before it broke again. Due to it's looks, it fetched top dollar.
On a side note, I think Roland is retarded - they keep churning out consumer grade like ty remake of Juno or SH series crap, with mandatory useless D-Beam and awash in COSM to mask crappiness. They should cash in on the opportunity and remake Jupiter and other legendary units. But Roland being Roland, they're happy selling consumer grade ROMPLERS. To them, any product that wouldn't sell by tens of thousands is not worth the effort. Idiots. :whip:
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| Rodri Santos |
keep it as long as you don't have money problems because of two reasons:
-You can still enjoy them and with 35 it's not your end, there are dj's with 60 years old.
-There are a lot of hardware synths which far from being old fashioned are very used now so if you need to sell them in the future you'll probably get more money |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
I'll play a devils advocate for a sec - I paid $5000 for mine and I thought I got a deal... The one I had before this one was also In a very nice shape and it sold for $6000 on ebay . A guy actually flew from holland to US to pick it up. Thing is - they ain't making these bad boys any more and old ones in good shape are hard to come by. Besides, did you see what CS80 goes for these days? I see them average 10k - 12k...
Every time I see a Jupe sell for something outrageous, I hear people say that this is crazy. And very next time, it fetches as much or close to it, up/down. I paid $2300 fory firs one, back in 2003 - and that was higher than $2k those averaged. I sold it for $3500. Next one I snatched with a snipe for $3200 - but it was near mint outside. Inside, was a different story - I paid $1200 to fix it several times and decided to sell it before it broke again. Due to it's looks, it fetched top dollar.
On a side note, I think Roland is retarded - they keep churning out consumer grade like ty remake of Juno or SH series crap, with mandatory useless D-Beam and awash in COSM to mask crappiness. They should cash in on the opportunity and remake Jupiter and other legendary units. But Roland being Roland, they're happy selling consumer grade ROMPLERS. To them, any product that wouldn't sell by tens of thousands is not worth the effort. Idiots. :whip:
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Thats the problem. People think JP-8 is massively in demand because a couple of collectors/investors are skyrocketing used prices. The truth is that analogue polysynths don't sell well because most people can't afford to buy one. Definitely not now what with there being a recession but if you already have one its not a bad investment since they are unlikely to ever depreciate in value. You'll get your money back instantly if you sell for what you bought it for. You might even make a profit.
Roland are definitely these days but not because they don't make big expensive analogue synths anymore. They would sell very few units even if they still had the engineers around to build things like JP-8 again. Instead, they suck because they really haven't done anything on the workstation front that isn't recycled JD-800 tech other than V Synth and V Piano. And they haven't done anything on the virtual analogue front that isn't recycled JP-8000 tech. Roland is a company that doesn't really make anything anymore. They just repackage and resell their existing products. In the absence of actual innovation, recycling JP-8000s and JD-800s is cheaper and more profitable than recycling anything analogue. Hell thats not even taking into account that many of the parts are no longer in production.
On the CS80. It had velocity sensitivity, polyphonic aftertouch, multitimbrality and Vangelis used one. This bit may not affect the price but it weighs 91 fukking kilos. Thats more than a fat man. And at EUR 17,000 it is even more crazy because its not THAT much better than any other multitimbral synth that can receive aftertouch/velocity. It doesn't make 6k JP-8s less crazy. It makes paying EUR 17,000 for a CS80 even more crazy. Don't even get me started on pre War Martins that sell for 35,000 USD+ and vintage Les Pauls. |
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| aNYthing |
I think there's market for a Good analog synth, the issue is that there are not enough companies still around to actually produce something decent, outside of custom/boutique type of gear.
The two modern analogs I tried, eg andromeda and prophet 08, both left me unimpressed. They seemed to lack character and distinctive sound - it could have been any synth. Come to think of it, there wasn't a single synth produced by Dave Smith that I really liked. They all were unrefined and left a lot of room for improvement, to the point where I consider them half-baked and swore never to purchase anything made by sequential or dsi.
Andromeda was too fidgety and too convoluted to make the experience enjoyable. unpredictable build quality also didn't donmuch to help Andy's cause. I don't really miss it, now that it's gone.
If Roland came out with a synth comprable to the legendary xOx series or Juno/Jupiter/pro mars - I think there'd be enough demand to justify the run. Hell, John Bowen has been stringing along a couple hundred of suckers for several years on a premise they'd get to own a (VA!!!!) synth that he swears is not a vaporware. And people are patiently waiting. And waiting. And waiting. |
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| Derivative |
Those couple hundred suckers are probably the only buyers hes ever really going to get. The kind that will put down a deposit on something that isn't even finished yet. There might be a slow trickle later on if it turns out good but in the end that doesn't even matter. It costs $4,000.00 so most people will never be able to afford one or be able to justify the cost of one. They'll lust after one and give the thumbs up on the youtube demos but they won't buy one.
The internet allows all the people who can drop 4k on a synthesizer to congregate in one place. It gives the impression that theres high demand for expensive analogue polysynths when there really isn't and this is simply a case of the vocal minority making their opinions known. I know people that work in the pro audio retail sector that can basically confirm that. All they sell is M-Audio level stuff because its cheap, it works, its easy to justify the cost. They sell SSLs and other industry standards to start ups but there aren't many of those these days.
They hardly ever shift high end solid wood guitars because most people come in, strum them and they love the sound and feel of the things but they put it right back on the rack when they see it costs 3,000 euros. If they want one bad they'll pick one up, strum, put back on the rack and try to find it cheaper on eBay.
If you think putting a Jupiter class analogue polysynth into production now is a good business plan for Roland you have been spending way too much time in internet group think. The only people that could put them into production now are 1 man or small team builders where there are waiting lists, the production runs are limited, the cost of production is low and there are no shareholders to account to.
And even then just look at Jomox Sunsyn. It sold what? 200 units? It made Jürgen Michaelis totally miserable, nearly bankrupted him and now several parts (like the VCA) are completely out of production and others are now very expensive. He says this basically every time anyone asks why he doesn't make Sunsyns anymore. Last time I checked the yahoo group he said Sunsyn project is over. No more units. And he seemed happy that the ordeal was behind him. |
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| Richard Butler |
New Roland Gaia could be tasty......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA3Vmo8Oes&feature=related |
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| Rusty O'Hara |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
And even then just look at Jomox Sunsyn. It sold what? 200 units? It made Jürgen Michaelis totally miserable, nearly bankrupted him and now several parts (like the VCA) are completely out of production and others are now very expensive. He says this basically every time anyone asks why he doesn't make Sunsyns anymore. Last time I checked the yahoo group he said Sunsyn project is over. No more units. And he seemed happy that the ordeal was behind him. |
I don't blame Jürgen for not wanting to make any more, but what a legacy. The SunSyn is amazing, one of the top 5 synths ever. |
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