Originally posted by Clovis
I'm not trying to win any argument. lol
if you think those tracks are piss boring, that is fine by me. I really like them, among the multitudes of other music I enjoy from Miles Davis to Massive Attack. I think that villalobos remix of wareika is amazing. And that Kris Wadsworth is amazingly atmospheric, and uses very little to get there. I love it.
I just don't think dance music for clubs needs to be incredibly complex or life changing. It is formulaic BY DEFAULT. It has been since its inception. Dance music is mostly not made by real musicians, and it doesn't have to be. If it bothers you, don't listen to it, don't buy it. There is plenty out there for everyone.
Really if you're looking to dance music to find the pinnacle of musical achievement, you're WAY off base...
bravo. Even though you called me Yoko for speaking my view in this thread lol...well said Clovis.
Twilothunder25
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Anyone else bored of this "settle for less" counter-argument Clovis has been espousing recently? No wonder so much dance music sucks, if the people spinning and making it are resigned to the fact.
Plus one!
LoveHate
quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I'm not trying to win any argument. lol
if you think those tracks are piss boring, that is fine by me. I really like them, among the multitudes of other music I enjoy from Miles Davis to Massive Attack. I think that villalobos remix of wareika is amazing. And that Kris Wadsworth is amazingly atmospheric, and uses very little to get there. I love it.
I just don't think dance music for clubs needs to be incredibly complex or life changing. It is formulaic BY DEFAULT. It has been since its inception. Dance music is mostly not made by real musicians, and it doesn't have to be. If it bothers you, don't listen to it, don't buy it. There is plenty out there for everyone.
Really if you're looking to dance music to find the pinnacle of musical achievement, you're WAY off base...
/Thread.
Twilothunder25
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Originally posted by Clovis
Like these?
2 German guys putting sax in their track, they must be full of .
Oh Kris Wadsworth are you trying to be Moodyman or something? get the out of here.
As formulaic as any I suppose...
Oh MAN even Villalobos is getting in on this Jazz . .
Wow this song is fairly straight forward and I really enjoy it. I think there's something wrong with me.
Almost NOTHING happens in that one and I love it^^
^^OH GOD BLACK PEOPLE SAMPLES!! I wonder where Soulphiction buys his fedoras?
Even LoSoul knows the formula!
So lets just get this straight, all of these are just as generic as supersaw uplifting trance, (I mean OBVIOUSLY there is no more musical merit between any of these and something by Armin Van Blurrin) and the people who make this are prog house kids who just bought their first jazz records yesterday.
Ain't that the truth!
No that is not the truth. The truth is that these tracks are way more generic than trance.
The truth is that whether underground or commercial sample based or original composition It is hard to make a record that touches thousands of people worldwide. It is hard to make ''starkid crayons'' ''rabbit in the moon out of body experience'' or ''josh wink higher state of consciousness'' for example. So what do these hipsters do? They camouflage it.
They make is sound weird and abstract to camouflage the fact that it is just a ty song that wouldn't sell on the strength of the actual music. Period.
But there is a hipster born every minute... ;)
enydo
This alt... :stongue:
SYSTEM-J
It's clearly Existo22.
Twilothunder25
Take meat beat manifesto Radio Babylon for example
and mix it up with dead can dance the host of seraphim
You end up with:
Future Sound Of London - Papua New Guinea
That is why this record has been bootlegged a thousand times. It contains all those samples. But it was Dougans and Cobain from FSOL that sat in the studio with those s1000 samplers and made those samples work together for the first time. And they wrote history. The track out peaked at 22 in the charts secured them a deal with virgin.
They are the creative people the producers you know... the mszs of this world.
These are the people in the music business.
The rest that followed are copycats and opportunists. They are in the bull business. Of course these days the hipster mask suits fits them well. They can hide their lack of creativity and talent easily that way ;)
Regards.
SYSTEM-J
Delerium's track actually came after Papua New Guinea. Papua was 1991, Resurrection was 1994. Delerium sampled The FSOL, not the other way around.
By the way Existo, you should totally check out my "Lush" mix in my sig. It contains Papua New Guinea, as well as loads of your other favourites such as God Within - Raincry.
Twilothunder25
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Delerium's track actually came after Papua New Guinea. Papua was 1991, Resurrection was 1994. Delerium sampled The FSOL, not the other way around.
I stand corrected.
By the way Existo, you should totally check out my "Lush" mix in my sig. It contains Papua New Guinea, as well as loads of your other favourites such as God Within - Raincry.
Downloading your mix now :p
By the way who is this existo you keep talking about?
SYSTEM-J
Come on, it could barely be more obvious:
* Love of Twilo.
* Love of old Sasha classics.
* Hatred of hipsters, and flagrant mis-use of the term.
* Unprovoked disparaging of tech house.
* Same writing style.
Thanks for sharing :D
All these oldschool tracks are so pretty and so amazing.
I am at the chicane track. Great work with the transitions
mehta
@nefardec you are right, he is kinda boring for clubs. dvs1 was playing quite hard in the other room that night and the crowd gravitated towards that much more. but for example there are many club crowds that would find theo parrish boring too. anyway, always good to get your comments.
@pozz yeah there are lots of great old tracks. lots isn't uploaded at all though ... happy hunting :)
@chimney surely you must be joking about the connection between soul/disco and house?? it's seems pretty obvious to me anyway
