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Since everyone b!tches about "bedroom producers"... (pg. 3)
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| BedroomAddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I read all that, but I have no idea what you were trying to say. |
your answer is the perfect example why I don't worry 2 much about these threads mate :)
have a sunny weekend anyways |
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| Trancefxs |
| quote: | Originally posted by BedroomAddict
Bedroom producers, deejays or whatever u wanna call it are the foundation for the future sound guys, some signings one does on them are good and others..well yeah I agree are not so good looking at the final result. We could do like some of the so called bigger labels and just hi-jack the better names from smaller labels with the neccessary dollars or euros. But we have never, since the start of Bonzai, upheld that policy, theres still names out there that started their legacy with us such as Dj Tiêsto, M.I.K.E (Push), Sharam Jey, Airwave, Marco Bailey, Yves Deruyter...pfff the list goes on and on....and guess what, they all started with us when they were unknown and shy bedroom producers. If I have a look at what's going round at trance market now from so called big names, well it just wants to make me cry. Not saying we are re-inventing the scene here at Bonzai, but at least we try and are looking a bit beyond the tralalala trance sound of today.
Ow yeah and we still put out trance ourselves, bedroom producers, and some of them are ing awesome when it comes down to trance, uplifting, progressive or whatever niche you wanna classify it in, Asbjörn Hegdahl, Max Angel, Crimson, Blufeld, Sovve, Ville Lope and a few dozen more (sorry guys the list is 2 long 2 complete it, but you all know who you are). ...and some are not so good, misjudged by us, I absolutely agree but it seems many out there are just only looking at those.
I am also the first that is eager to learn about new marketing and promostrategies so hit me in this thread with some great ideas which we don't do ourselves. We have huge online promopool on which all major deejays, radioshows, reviewers, a&r's and god knows what else are subscribed 2. We put out radioshows ourselves, buy advertising, organise small events and gigs, are active on all major communities and so on and so on... Like I said I'm very eager to learn where we are missing out. |
If Bonzai was singled out is probably because those awesome producers, are not actually as awesome for us and a release like the The Tube Remixes is a clear example of a label trying to maximize quantity rather than quality.
Concerning the marketing and promo-strategies, I would find new ways to promote your releases on this forum, because this thread is a good example of how not to do it. Btw if you need some consulting concerning marketing strategies I can help you, John 00 Fleming can vouch for me as I have helped him recently. |
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| Woonyxoxo |
| Who cares about "marketing strategies" for tracks that bring in less than a few hundred euros? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woonyxoxo
Who cares about "marketing strategies" for tracks that bring in less than a few hundred euros? |
...which could bring in more with proper marketing strategies ;) |
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| BedroomAddict |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trancefxs
If Bonzai was singled out is probably because those awesome producers, are not actually as awesome for us and a release like the The Tube Remixes is a clear example of a label trying to maximize quantity rather than quality.
Well it's all about personal taste mate, I know very well we can't please everyone and I also know forums and communities like this one only stretch out as far as the peeps posting here. Maybe plenty will shoot me and prolly even a lot of my own artists will but trance in it's pure form is a dying niche, there's nuttin out there that hasn't been done already with that sound. Altho feedbacks we had on the Tiesto release were pretty good with an 8.33% score on 10 overall.
Concerning your help, I am meeting John (funny u mentioned him) on monday and will deffo ask if you are worth looking into for assistance in the promo and marketing area. Anyways looking at past experiences, we have been plugging communities and forums in the past and the results are appauling and that goes for all labels out there. reaching 500 downloads on a full release is already heroic these days and ensures a pole position in the charts for weeks to come on any portal out there.
With 99,9% of all music, specially in the EDM genre, being downloaded illegally we ain't home yet lol |
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| Trance-MB |
Belgium always had a different sound, less commercial and great clubs where they played it.
I still love the "Belgium sound", but I'm not really up-to-date any more. But I'm pretty sure when I would visit a Belgium club it's still there :)
At the end we only remember labels for the good tracks not the many bad ones.
F.Y.I. last year I made this thread:
Bonzai appreciation thread |
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| Trancefxs |
| quote: | Originally posted by BedroomAddict
Well it's all about personal taste mate, I know very well we can't please everyone and I also know forums and communities like this one only stretch out as far as the peeps posting here. Maybe plenty will shoot me and prolly even a lot of my own artists will but trance in it's pure form is a dying niche, there's nuttin out there that hasn't been done already with that sound. Altho feedbacks we had on the Tiesto release were pretty good with an 8.33% score on 10 overall |
Well personal tastes obviously matters, but the more you know about a genre the more you can actually objectively evaluate an artist production and this goes for music, movies, books and so on.
As for Trance in its pure form (what that even means, because someone may say that the pure form of Trance died in 1995) being a dying niche, I hope you are wrong and that's why I have launched a blog to promote the "good" Trance still produced. What I am sure however is that the electro-tech sounds won't be part of the Trance of the future, although Bonzai Progressive seems to think otherwise lately.
As for The Tube remixes I am questioning the sense of a release of this kind, other than associating all the Bonzai artists to the name of Dj Tiesto.
| quote: | | Who cares about "marketing strategies" for tracks that bring in less than a few hundred euros? |
When you are trying to survive in an industry, every advantage you can get over your competitors should be explored. Selling even just 5% more of every release can make a difference at the end of the year. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by BedroomAddict
your answer is the perfect example why I don't worry 2 much about these threads mate :)
have a sunny weekend anyways |
you do realize you're selling one of his productions, don't you? :stongue:
Might want to read the thread and not just DAVE DRESDEN all over everybody. |
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| Woonyxoxo |
| quote: | | When you are trying to survive in an industry, every advantage you can get over your competitors should be explored. Selling even just 5% more of every release can make a difference at the end of the year. |
Its not an "Industry" when its completly impossible to even make a living out of making music and selling music, jesus christ.
This "Industry" is completly ing laughable. Even when the labels ripp off the artists like slaves. For example in the Trance scene I don't think any label other than Armada/Anjuna/Blackhole can actually pay the salary of even one person from the money they make with music.
In the end everyone in this "industry" ( :stongue: ) except a very very few expections is working as an amateur, because its ing impossible to make a living out of it.
If clubbing wouldn't pay the DJs so ing much we wouldn't have any "professional" artists and labels in this "industry". |
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| Trancefxs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woonyxoxo
Its not an "Industry" when its completly impossible to even make a living out of making music and selling music, jesus christ. |
I suggest you to review the definition of industry.
| quote: | | industry: (Business / Commerce) a branch of commercial enterprise concerned with the output of a specified product or service |
Music is still an industry/business for a label, regardless of whether they are making a profit or losing money in this moment. Whether you think that music is not an industry anymore is your opinion, but not a fact (at least for now). |
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| jupiterone |
| everyone is basically a bedroom producer/engineer. most guys i know who make 80k a year just engineering work at home premixing then bring it to a studio. they have "bedroom studios" or you could say, project studios. simple stuff at their house. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
everyone is basically a bedroom producer/engineer. most guys i know who make 80k a year just engineering work at home premixing then bring it to a studio. they have "bedroom studios" or you could say, project studios. simple stuff at their house. |
I don't really think anyone meant the term literally. |
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