This morning I saw a guy protesting against BP, by standing with a big sign outside a BP station that read: "BP is environmental murder"
Still people were purchasing gas though..LOL
zoogla
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Originally posted by Lews
washley don't talk about economics like you know what you're talking about, thanks.
agreed. also, please refrain from using "" as if you know how to use those as well.
EricB.
hahah stupid birds
zoogla
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Originally posted by Sushipunk
At least they're not ing the place up. Unlike these incredibly 'smart' human folks, huh?
lol at stu and his bird-loving!
also I agree with doombot; if you truly believe in militant opposition against oil companies, then practice what you preach. but if you're an armchair critic, that's ok too, but you're not really accomplishing anything.
if I'm opposed to Israel's blockade (speaking of which, news update coming soon in that thread), then I would want to effect a change through political (if I had the power) or passive resistant means. Just like those unfortunate dead activists, who paid the highest cost for their cause. THAT'S practicing what you preach. I know it sounds crazy, but I have utmost respect for those people; they shouldn't have had to give up their lives (but of course, if they threatened with violence, then some beatings would definitely be in order :p).
osterzone
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Originally posted by Lews
You're an idiot. BP won't go out of business because of this, even if they probably should.
BP, Sarah Palin, all the people who have said and are still saying drill, baby, drill. You should all be down in the gulf cleaning this disaster up. Disgusting.
I never mentioned I was "for" drilling oil.
And the only reason you're bitching about oil is because of this spill. If this didn't happen, you wouldn't have said .
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by Lews
I don't know if you're making fun of me or not :(
i'm definatley not. Its good to see someone with both a sense of economical logic and concern for nature. kudos for shedding some intelligence in this thread.
Halcyon+On+On
Nobody here is vying for militant opposition. BP should be held absolutely responsible for this mess because they know the risks it takes to operate their multi-billion dollar industry. It's a high stakes business: soaring profits, soaring losses when they up. It's not unlike vehicular manslaughter - oh, I didn't mean to speed through that school zone and kill 4 children just doesn't suffice when you were clearly the one driving the car.
Everyone has a right to be absolutely livid over how this is being handled. Yes, there comes a point when we must all blame ourselves because we perpetuate the state of the world, but there is a nagging feeling within me that it's simply going to be business as usual once the headlines have moved on, and BP will continue to greatly profit over our "chosen" lifestyles. This entire fiasco should be a wake-up call for absolutely everyone, that it's time to vie for energy reform because the incidence of this sort of thing happening can only increase just as demand does. Large corporations like BP are focused only on maximizing profit in whatever way possible, public relations only being a method to quell the livid masses so that they at least keep buying their product under the guise that things will get better.
Everyone knows that fossil fuels are a zero-sum game, so riding your bike everywhere and brushing your damned teeth with your fingers is suddenly the answer? Changes need to occur at the very top of the profit ladder, when the men who stand to gain the most are held responsible for the damage they've done and committ to real changes in how they do business. But I'll tell you how this is going to happen. Everyone's going to calm down, and forget about the damned birds, just like they did in the early 80s, it will live on in bumper stickers, and business will go right back to normal until it happens again. Like a black and blue redneck wife, we're all going to assume that "BP can change" and "it's a good company, it didn't mean to hurt anybody" because their 7-figure advertising executives will devise clever ways to keep us all faithful and quiet. And we'll all choke on the elite's plumes of avarice, the contemptible smog of vaporizing cash support transmuting crude addiction, while they get away with it because nobody became just angry enough.
zoogla
so you don't have a point then.
jester
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Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by fayraree
so you don't have a point then.
My point was exceedingly clear, I just don't have a solution.
I know the answer isn't just to roll over and let them get away with it another day though. It's not to find a happy medium because there is no such thing. It's not to eat up their apologies or trust them any farther than their leash should allow them. They must be held responsible now because their business is causing irreparable damage, and is merely the symptom of a greater address government needs to take an active involvement in. Dire change never starts by just accepting things as 'how the world works' because that is exactly what companies want through an endless lobbying structure.
But they're probably going to get away with all of this relatively scott-free.
jester
BP's pipe cap begins capturing oil
(Courtesy of Bangkok Post)
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
My point was exceedingly clear, I just don't have a solution.
I know the answer isn't just to roll over and let them get away with it another day though. It's not to find a happy medium because there is no such thing. It's not to eat up their apologies or trust them any farther than their leash should allow them. They must be held responsible now because their business is causing irreparable damage, and is merely the symptom of a greater address government needs to take an active involvement in. Dire change never starts by just accepting things as 'how the world works' because that is exactly what companies want through an endless lobbying structure.
But they're probably going to get away with all of this relatively scott-free.
The fact of the matter is that they were indeed allowed to operate in such depths without "failsafe" contigency plans. If anything, BP should be made an example of and they are. The market is batting them down like no tomorrow, they've lost over 70 billion dollars (40% worth) in market capitlization and are targets for a takeover. We definatley need to ween off oil and the government should take proper direction in taxation, fees, restrictions and heavy oversight into crude operations. The company's should respond likewise by pushing crude prices through the roof and thus alternative sources will be a viable market and essentially, the change will gradually occur.
Offshore drilling at these depths should be completely halted until proper countermeasures to leaks and blowouts are actually implementable. Until then, the moratorium seems like a feasable idea. BP should be held completely responsible for imporper operation of machinery to the point where criminal charges are valid. 11 people died, a mass of ocean and shorline were contaminated, not to mention ecosystems irreparably damaged. They will pay fines through the nose, as they should but BP will come out alive after this, but they should with the lesson that offshore drilling, if carried out, should be a completely controlled operation without faults and fully implemenatable failsafe systems. If this isn't possible, offshore drilling should be completely halted in until testable proven countermeasures are developed.
