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| Dojomaster26 |
I don't think there is anything wrong with using the technology that you have to help you make the best mix possible. With all of the Ableton and DVS wielding DJs running around these days, the fact that you are doing things "manually" is kind of special.
Just make sure that your ears are the final judge and jury when it comes to your mixes. If the CDJs say that both tracks have the same BPMs and the mix still sounds off, then one of several things is happening:
1. You started the new track too soon or too early or off beat/phase. Correct it with the pitch bend.
2. The tracks that you are mixing are not harmonically going to work together. Notice that things may sound lined up but "sour" or unpleasant. You can try to fix this using some selective EQs, or you can learn how to key your tracks and prevent this from happening. I either switch tracks, or I try to figure out what tracks are going to sound good together before I play them, since I have heard most of what's in my binder many times and I can kind of "hear" the mix in my head before I actually load the tracks.
3. The CDJ's BPM counter is slightly off. Sometimes it is off by 1 or 2 BPM, other times it will be WAY off. Again, your ears are the final judge here.
4. The pitch may have slipped. This happens a lot on my 200s whenever I am in .02% adjustment mode. Since I started adjusting by .05% this problem has come up less often. Be aware of what setting you have, and don't be afraid to pitch bend & gently nudge the pitch back if it slips.
If you can beatmatch with your ears, then it will be easier to correct problems with whatever you are mixing with. It is also a good skill to have if you ever plan on mixing with turntables one day ;) |
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| Schadenfreude |
he used to mix with real decks if my memory serves me right.
no such thing as cheating anymore, brad you are still doing more with that simple move than most touring djs do these days.
As stated before, beatmatching on cdjs is retardedly easy, don't be afraid to push the envelope. I would be willing to say that a complete noob to mixing could probably learn beatmatching on cds in less than a week....anyone remember how low that took when riding the black beauty??;p |
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| Nemesis44 |
| Oh yes, riding the pitch. The lost art form... |
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| n3lly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Oh yes, riding the pitch. The lost art form... |
Funny enough i have only recently gotten into this.
I use TSP with vinyl control. Absolutely love finding the correct pitch without touching the vinyl itself.
Started doing it about 6 months ago... |
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| Schadenfreude |
the best was when you tried to do it on a press that didn't hold time properly but you absolutely had to play it because it was awesome.
man the love hate relationship with those kind of records can be compared to the feeling you get when you call all of your ex gfs at 4am drunk of your . |
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| n3lly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Schadenfreude
the best was when you tried to do it on a press that didn't hold time properly but you absolutely had to play it because it was awesome.
man the love hate relationship with those kind of records can be compared to the feeling you get when you call all of your ex gfs at 4am drunk of your . |
lol very good :D |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| i know how to time warp now thanks to rafnel, i can do a hour set in 15 mins beat matched perfectly with clean smooth transitions, now do that live is cheating compared to mxing with decks live. Some djs need to have wider view of whats out there. |
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| Psionic |
| quote: | Originally posted by BradMiller
Lots and lots of big DJs do it so I wouldn't stress it too much. |
Examples?
Maybe a lot of big DJs don't beatmatch now because they are using technology like Ableton that does it for them, but I'm sure at some point in their careers they learned to beatmatch. |
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| Schadenfreude |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psionic
Examples?
Maybe a lot of big DJs don't beatmatch now because they are using technology like Ableton that does it for them, but I'm sure at some point in their careers they learned to beatmatch. |
lots of "djs" today aren't really djs in the traditional sense. Many are producers that struggle to program a live set with good flow...so they tend to arrange track stems in advance and just mess with fx and the mixer.
dj and producers are 2 different things...and while some are good at both, i find that it is usually one or the other. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| someone who knows how to produce finds djing so easy... |
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| discobiscuit |
| Dude that's a pretty good idea I never heard of anyone doing that |
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| discobiscuit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Schadenfreude
lots of "djs" today aren't really djs in the traditional sense. Many are producers that struggle to program a live set with good flow...so they tend to arrange track stems in advance and just mess with fx and the mixer.
dj and producers are 2 different things...and while some are good at both, i find that it is usually one or the other. |
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